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Subject: Re: Breaking news: Kramnik to skip Super Final

Author: Tony Nichols

Date: 22:55:36 11/10/04

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On November 11, 2004 at 01:26:27, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 11, 2004 at 00:53:10, Tony Nichols wrote:
>
>>On November 11, 2004 at 00:51:19, Tony Nichols wrote:
>>
>>>On November 10, 2004 at 21:21:27, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On November 09, 2004 at 23:24:20, Peter Darin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He is running away.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>From what?
>>>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>from playing Kasparov of course whom he is afraid to play.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't know what makes you think Kramnik is afraid to play Kasparov. After all
>>>>>>>he beat Kasparov for the title. There is no evidence that he is afraid. There is
>>>>>>>evidence that Kasparov does not want to play Kramnik. He declined to play in the
>>>>>>>Dortmund qualifier. He went back to fide. If Kasparov wanted to play Kramnik so
>>>>>>>bad he would have played in Dortmund. I think many people don't understand that
>>>>>>>Kramnik is trying to reform chess. Kasparov instigated the mess we have now. I
>>>>>>>too would like to see them play, but Kasparov should have to qualify.
>>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>>Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm afraid I have to side with Peter on this one. Kramnik has been beaten by
>>>>>>Kasparov since the title for one thing, and he also recently decided he would
>>>>>>not play the superfinal against Kasparov despite the agreement that the winner
>>>>>>of both matches would play to unify the titles. I don't think Kramnik is trying
>>>>>>to reform anything at all and never heard one single word on his part suggesting
>>>>>>that was his intention. Alekhine, move over, you've got company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                            Albert
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello Albert
>>>>>Kramnik did not say he wouldn't play Kasparov. He said he had no commitment to
>>>>>play Kasparov. He agreed to the Prague agreement yes, but that said he would
>>>>>play the winner of Kasparov-Ponomariov. There will be no such match.
>>>>
>>>>No doubt Kramnik has lawyers capable of saying the same thing, but it's still
>>>>bunk. Ponomariov was to play Kasparov as he was the official FIDE World
>>>>Champion, and not because he was Ponomariov.
>>>Agreed.
>>>He then made things quite
>>>>impossible so the match could not take place. Now there is a new FIDE World
>>>>Champion who will correctly continue the process initiated and Kramnik has found
>>>>a very convenient loophole.
>>>>
>>>I disagree. I think fide is as much to blame as Ponomariov. They were treating
>>>Kasparov as if he was their champion. Kramnik has not said he won't play. He
>>>said he's not obligated that's a big difference.
>>>>>Kramnik has
>>>>>said in NIC that he wants reform in chess. He also supports the ACP who want to
>>>>>reform chess, so his intentions are clear.
>>>>
>>>>Reform should start by clarifying the state of the World CHampionship title,
>>>>which has ceased being clear for the past years. When there is finally a
>>>>possibility to close the rift, his reform desires are nowhere to be found.
>>>>
>>>In my opinion the title is very clear. Kramnik became champ by beating the
>>>champ. He has now defended against a worthy qualified opponent. I believe he has
>>>every intention of defending against all challengers who qualify to play him.
>>>Let's not forget that Kasparov left fide in 1992 with the title. Coincidentally
>>>he didn't come back till he lost it. Now he wants it back. Well, He's not
>>>calling the shots anymore. Kasparov knows that he can't call himself champ again
>>>unless he beats Kramnik or whoever beats Kramnik. Kramnik knows this also and
>>>will not be pushed into a match under whatever conditions fide deems appropiate.
>>>I think he wants to avoid a situation in which fide can dictate how championship
>>>will be held without a long term system in place. I call that reform.
>>>>>Kasparov's intentions are anything
>>>>>but clear. He insisted that there be no rematch clause for his match with
>>>>>Kramnik. Now he complains about not getting a rematch. I don't take Kasparov
>>>>>seriously anymore. He is interested in politics and writing but not chess so
>>>>>much. He plays very few games a year. Thus he is still the highest rated player
>>>>>but not the strongest. Based on results Kramnik and Anand are playing better.
>>>>
>>>>Anand is certainly showing great results, but Kramnik ?? Aside from barely
>>>>retaining the title by virtue of drawing the match (a truly bad rule), I'm not
>>>>sure what these best-player-in-the-world results of his you are referring to. As
>>>>to Kasparov's supposed weakness, I think he will shine in the upcoming Russian
>>>>championship, and Kramnik fears that he will lose the strength of his bargaining
>>>>position if he comes up short. I remember after the results in the mid 90s when
>>>>Kasparov seemed to lose some steam then as well, and people were quick to
>>>>announce his impending downfall.
>>>>
>>>I think Kasparov will continue to do well in tournaments for a long time. I dont
>>>think he is as strong of a match player anymore. Just my opinion. Kramnik just
>>>finished a tough match, so its not surprising he's skipping the tournament
>>>I think a poor performance would give fide leverage. I hope Kasparov is just in
>>>a slump like before. I really love his chess! His ethics however, I don't care
>>>for.
>>>>>I think the Kramnik-Leko match was more competitive than the Kasparov-Kramnik
>>>>>match. Now Kasparov is 4 years older and weaker. This is why he doesnt want to
>>>>>have to qualify. He might not make it.
>>>>>Regards
>>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>That reason you just gave is absurd, and I honestly don't believe you think
>>>>that. The reason I think he doesn't want to go through a long drawn-out process
>>>>is simply because he doesn't think he should need to. Whether or not that's
>>>>right is another story, but I believe that to be correct. I think he still has a
>>>>few years ahead of him to be number one, unless someone forces him out of the
>>>>spot, but I agree that one shouldn't be able to sit on one's laurels for 3 years
>>>>as the current rating system allows. There should be a required minimum per
>>>>year.
>>>>
>>>>                                        Albert
>>>I absolutely believe he didn't play in Dortmund 2002 because he might lose. It
>>>was a long tough tournament and there were a few players who could have won. I
>>>would love to see a rematch between Kasparov and Kramnik. I think the greatest
>>>thing Kasparov could give back to chess is to qualify to play Kramnik and help
>>>heal the wound he created in 1992.
>>>Regards
>>>Tony
>>
>>P.S. The last time Kasparov played a qualifying match was in 1983!?
>
>Kasparov is going to play a qualifying match against the fide champion.
>
>Kasparov lost only one match against Kramnik.
>When karpov lost his match against kasparov he got a rematch in a short time and
>same happened with botvinik so I do not think that it is unfair if kasparov play
>kramnik in case that he beat the fide champion.
>
>Kasparov needs now to win one match to qualify to play against kramnik.
>It was not the case with karpov.
>
>Karpov after losing the world championship to kasparov needed only one match out
>of 3 or 2 matches to win it back from kasparov and did not need to qualify(at
>least for the first matche or the first 2 matches).
>
>I am not sure about the exact facts from that time.
>
>
>Kasparov did not complain like kramnik that karpov needs to qualify at that time
>so I see no reason for kramnik to complain that kasparov needs to qualify.
>
>Karpov also lost a big match of 24 games when kasparov lost a match with less
>games so kasparov had more justification to refuse to another match against
>karpov at the time that karpov lost his title.
>
>
>Uri
Kasparov did in fact complain about having to play Karpov. Kasparov was the one
who instigated the no rematch clause not Kramnik. I'm sure he regrets it now. I
think the rematch clause is unfair. It means the champion has a built in
advantage. Smyslov had a plus score against Botvinnik in world championship play
but he only won one match. Kasparov did not refuse a match with Karpov. Karpov
had to qualify and was beaten by Nigel Short. As late as 1995 there was talk of
another Kasparov-Karpov match, But Karpov's results were poor after Linares 1994
and so it was forgotten. Kasparov would have more of a claim to a rematch if he
didn't run back to fide after loseing to Kramnik. He left it on Kramnik to
organize a candidates tournament and keep his title legitimate. Kramnik has done
just that. I can find no fault with Kramnik. Kasparov...
Regards
Tony



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