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Subject: Re: WM-Test Nr. 45 - - solution is wrong

Author: Joachim Rang

Date: 11:19:20 11/29/04

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On November 29, 2004 at 11:26:57, Uri Blass wrote:

>On November 29, 2004 at 10:56:13, Joachim Rang wrote:
>
>>On November 29, 2004 at 08:20:38, Franz Hagra wrote:
>>
>>>see http://f23.parsimony.net/forum50826/messages/113535.htm
>>>
>>>r1b1n2r/1p2q3/1Qp1npk1/4p1p1/P1B1P3/2P1BNP1/1P3PK1/R3R3 b - - 0 22
>>>
>>>best move is not Nf4 - better to play first Nd6 and then Nf4
>>>
>>>This is a main problem test positions - there is always the possibility that the
>>>solution move must not be played imidiatly and in this case with nowadays
>>>testsuits and GUI's its not possible to test the fact that the engine is
>>>"understandig" the position and here motives!
>>>
>>>eg: an engine finding Nf4 and not Nd6 and than Nf4 would have better test
>>>results = the engine seeing less earns more points!
>>>
>>>Hagra
>>
>>Thanks Hagra for your confidence in my hurried analysis. Nvertheless it is not
>>yet proven, that Nd6 is better, perhaps both moves are equal. It's a very
>>complicated and unclear position. I would appreciate any analysis regarding this
>>position.
>>
>>But I thank you for pointing out the quality of the WM-Test, where in the first
>>50 Positions only one position was found to be unclear. I too think this is a
>>pretty good percentage for a testsuite.
>>
>>regards Joachim
>
>1 position out of 50 that was proved to be unclear does not prove that the rest
>are clear.
>
>I do not know if people looked at the rest of the positions to decide if they
>are clear or not clear.
>
>I remember that in the past I looked at part of  the problems and was not
>convinced that the solutions are correct.
>
>I was not convinced also about the opposite but as far as I remember I could not
>teach yace that the solutions are correct in a short time by going forward and
>backward.
>
>Uri

It would be interesting if you could find the positions in question.

regards Joachim



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