Author: Albert Silver
Date: 04:35:39 11/30/04
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On November 29, 2004 at 22:56:59, P. Massie wrote:
>On November 29, 2004 at 21:45:11, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On November 29, 2004 at 19:55:39, P. Massie wrote:
>>
>>>On November 29, 2004 at 17:44:54, Thomas Logan wrote:
>>>
>>>>On November 29, 2004 at 17:35:05, Albert Silver wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On November 29, 2004 at 17:10:13, Thomas Logan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Had they played a candidate's match 10 years ago ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any details ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>Kamsky clobbered Kramnik 4.5 - 1.5 in the quarter finals of the WC cycle.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Interresting !
>>>>
>>>>My chess history is lacking as I left chess for a period of time
>>>>
>>>>Is this before Kramnik took Kasparov's title
>>>>
>>>>Had Kramnik lost to Kamsky and Shirov and still gotten a title match ?
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>
>>>That is exactly the case. Which makes his current position even more
>>>questionable.
>>>
>>>Paul
>>
>>That is NOT exactly the case. The winner of the PCA candidates cycle was Anand,
>>beating Kamsky in the finals, and Anand played Kasparov in 1995 as was his
>>right.
>>
>> Albert
>
>You are correct, of course. I skipped a few matches. As I recall there were
>two parallel cycles - the PCA and the FIDE. Kamsky won the FIDE cycle and
>finally lost to Karpov in the title match, while Anand (as you said) won the PCA
>cycle and lost to Kasparov in the title match. However, along the way Kamsky
>did beat Kramnik, although I don't remember which cycle it was in.
>
>I may be mistaken, but I seem to vaguely remember that Kamsky beat Anand in the
>FIDE cycle and lost to him in the PCA cycle.
>
>Paul
Kramnik lost to Kamsky in the PCA cycle in the semi-finals. You're correct about
the two matches though. It was one of the more astonishing periods of chess with
two heavily fought WC cycles and two Candidates cycles. None of that KO garbage
we see today. Anyhow, Kamsky was brilliant in both cycles.
In the FIDE cycle he beat Van der Sterren in the 1/8 finals (great match), Anand
in the 1/4 finals, and Salov in the 1/2 finals, to finally meet Karpov for the
title. He lost that match 10.5 - 7.5 in 1996.
In the PCA cycle (all this running in the same years!), he beat Kramnik in the
1/4 finals, Short in the 1/2 finals, but Anand got his revenge by beating him
the Candidates finals for the right to play Kasparov for the title.
All in all, it is clear that Kamsky was no less brilliant than Anand at this
time. Unfortunately, due to his inability to become world champion, Kamsky's
father decided that Kamsky had no future in chess, and that it was better to
quit chess and study to become a doctor. Just amazing.....
For those who don't remember Kamsky the prodigy, he first appeared in the chess
headlines when he became the heavily disputed All-Russian under-18 champion at
the age of 12!
Personally, I first saw Kamsky in a super strong open in Paris when he was 15 or
so and about 2650 and not even an IM or GM. If you wonder how that is remotely
possible, it is because the titles require one of the 3 norms to be obtained in
a closed round-robin tournament, which Kamsky had not done. He consistently
scored 2650 performances in opens though, hence the monster rating. He showed
his super class when he came equal second in the Palma Mallorca super open,
qualifying for the defunct GMA super tournament cycle. He tied with Tony Miles,
with Gelfand winning the event.
Albert
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