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Subject: Re: At what point will computer vs computer elo be all that matters???

Author: Jason Kent

Date: 14:53:24 12/18/04

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I don't claim to be an expert, but I'll tell you what I think.  Computers have
strong and weak areas relative to humans.  For example, I believe computers do a
much better brute force search for shallow lines.  The human advantage is their
intuitive selection of lines, and the depth they can search those lines.

That being said, I think computers can be programmed to exploit human
weaknesses.  That is why some programs perform slightly better against humans
than others.

It is hard to say for sure which program is the best vs humans because there
aren't many public games to generate stats from.

Jason

On December 18, 2004 at 17:13:36, Derek Paquette wrote:

>By reputation alone, I can say that
>
>Hiarcs 9
>Deep Fritz 8
>Junior series
>
>are all great programs vs humans,
>
>I can also say that by reputation alone,
>
>Shredder 8 is not as good vs humans as it is vs computers,
>
>So I have to ask the question, at what point will there be no distinctive
>difference between the two?  If Shredder 9 comes onto the market and stomps
>other programs like both its predecessors, why would it not stomp humans just
>the same?  Its obviously outmanouvering other programs, what is so different
>about its style that is almost "transparent" to humans?  Or is this all
>'reputation' and not actual fact?  It just seems weird to me that a program can
>defeat another program that can crush a human, yet cannot do well vs humans
>
>anyway,
>Shredder 9 will surely be stronger than shredder 8, so what do people expect of
>shredder 9 in the area of fighting humans?
>
>Peter Skinner especially feels that shredder is 'weaker' than other programs vs
>humans, i'd be interested as to what he has to say, and others aswell
>
>-Derek paquette



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