Author: chandler yergin
Date: 16:36:12 01/11/05
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On January 11, 2005 at 01:58:47, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >On January 11, 2005 at 00:50:47, Helmut Conrady wrote: > >>On January 11, 2005 at 00:08:08, Eugene Nalimov wrote: >> >>>On January 10, 2005 at 21:50:43, Tanya Deborah wrote: >>> >>>>On January 10, 2005 at 21:48:41, Tanya Deborah wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi to all! >>>>> >>>>> I wish a very good year 2005 to all the people in this Forum. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Look at this position : >>>>> >>>>> [D]1k6/1P5R/5r1P/3K4/8/8/8/8 b >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It seems that all top programs give a very good advantage for white in this >>>>>position (up to +5.00), but can white really win in this end game??? I am not >>>>>very sure about this.. It seems to be a draw game. >>>>> >>>>>Why programs give it too much advantage??? Programs eval Material tooo highly! New game, [D]1k6/1P5R/5r1P/3K4/8/8/8/8 b - - 0 1 Analysis by Shredder 8: 1...Ka7 +- (5.18) Depth: 1/1 00:00:02 1...Ka7 +- (5.18) Depth: 1/1 00:00:02 1...Ka7 +- (5.18) Depth: 1/1 00:00:02 1...Ka7 +- (5.18) Depth: 1/1 00:00:02 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 +- (4.96) Depth: 2/3 00:00:02 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rb6 +- (5.06) Depth: 3/4 00:00:03 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rb6 3.Kd5 +- (4.86) Depth: 4/7 00:00:03 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rb6 3.Kf5 Rb5+ 4.Ke6 +- (4.99) Depth: 5/9 00:00:04 1...Ka7 2.Kc5 Rg6 3.Kd5 Rb6 4.Ke4 Rb3 +- (4.93) Depth: 6/11 00:00:07 1...Ka7 2.Kc5 Rg6 3.Kd4 Rd6+ 4.Ke4 Re6+ 5.Kf5 Rd6 6.Ke4 Re6+ 7.Kf5 Rd6 8.Ke4 Re6+ +- (4.97) Depth: 7/12 00:00:11 3kN, tb=279 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rb6 3.Kf5 +- (4.94) Depth: 8/13 00:00:15 5kN, tb=435 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rb6 3.Kf5 Rc6 4.Ke4 Ra6 5.Kd4 Rc6 6.Ke4 Ra6 7.Kd4 Rc6 8.Ke4 Ra6 +- (4.93) Depth: 9/17 00:00:22 9kN, tb=638 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rb6 3.Kf5 Rc6 4.Ke4 Ra6 5.Kd4 Rc6 6.Ke4 Ra6 7.Kd4 Rc6 8.Ke4 Ra6 +- (4.93) Depth: 10/14 00:00:25 11kN, tb=764 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rb6 3.Kf5 Rc6 4.Ke4 Ra6 5.Kd4 Rc6 6.Kd5 Rb6 7.Kc5 Rf6 8.Kd5 Rb6 9.Kc5 Rf6 10.Kd5 Rb6 11.Kc5 +- (4.93) Depth: 11/16 00:00:34 16kN, tb=1166 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rb5 +- (4.91) Depth: 12/18 00:00:43 24kN, tb=1542 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 Rb6 +- (4.92) Depth: 13/17 00:00:54 31kN, tb=2012 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 14/20 00:01:04 40kN, tb=2373 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 15/20 00:01:17 52kN, tb=2882 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 16/21 00:01:28 66kN, tb=3532 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 17/21 00:01:35 82kN, tb=4254 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 18/24 00:01:45 106kN, tb=5243 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 19/29 00:01:52 135kN, tb=6295 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 20/27 00:01:59 182kN, tb=8138 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 21/25 00:02:05 233kN, tb=9811 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 22/35 00:02:09 302kN, tb=11965 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 23/26 00:02:14 379kN, tb=14509 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 24/28 00:02:16 474kN, tb=17666 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 25/32 00:02:18 591kN, tb=21529 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 26/33 00:02:20 736kN, tb=26213 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 27/34 00:02:21 936kN, tb=32576 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 28/37 00:02:24 1208kN, tb=40807 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 29/32 00:02:27 1524kN, tb=50398 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 30/36 00:02:31 1950kN, tb=63398 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 31/38 00:02:35 2478kN, tb=79645 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 32/40 00:02:38 3121kN, tb=98596 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 33/44 00:02:42 3837kN, tb=121053 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 34/43 00:02:47 4838kN, tb=151098 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 35/42 00:02:52 5953kN, tb=184167 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 36/38 00:02:58 7387kN, tb=226684 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 37/42 00:03:07 9325kN, tb=286525 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 38/47 00:03:16 12532kN, tb=377309 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 39/50 00:03:26 15733kN, tb=467026 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 40/48 00:03:40 19865kN, tb=579941 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 41/50 00:03:54 24413kN, tb=712073 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 42/54 00:04:17 32755kN, tb=946955 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 43/61 00:05:00 51238kN, tb=1523847 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 44/51 00:05:39 67771kN, tb=2013107 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 45/50 00:07:45 137331kN, tb=4267055 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 46/60 01:41:03 3685355kN, tb=155091057 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 47/60 01:43:17 3760583kN, tb=157563578 1...Ka7 2.Ke5 Rc6 3.Kf5 Rc5+ 4.Ke4 Rc6 5.Ke5 +- (4.92) Depth: 48/60 02:28:47 5545201kN, tb=231680809 (, 11.01.2005) New game, [D]1k6/7R/2r4P/4K3/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 1 Analysis by Shredder 8: 1. = (0.00): 1.Kd5 2. = (0.00): 1.Kd4 3. = (0.00): 1.Ke4 4. = (0.00): 1.Kf4 5. = (0.00): 1.Kf5 6. = (0.00): 1.Rg7 7. = (0.00): 1.Rf7 8. = (0.00): 1.Re7 9. = (0.00): 1.Rd7 10. = (0.00): 1.Rh8+ 11. -+ (-#18): 1.Ra7 12. -+ (-#17): 1.Rc7 13. -+ (-#17): 1.Rb7+ (, 11.01.2005) New game, [D]2k5/7R/2r3KP/8/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 1 Analysis by Shredder 8: 1. = (0.00): 1.Kf5 2. = (0.00): 1.Kf7 3. = (0.00): 1.Kg5 4. = (0.00): 1.Kg7 5. = (0.00): 1.Kh5 (, 11.01.2005) A.Williams@totalise.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I forgot to say, that black move in this position. >>> >>>That is draw regardless of side to move. >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Eugene >>> >>>>> >>>>>Best Regards >>>>> Tanya Deborah >> >>Hi Eugene! >> >>Can you tell us something about your development of current 6 men? > >3+3 and 4+2 without pawns are done long ago. > >I generated all 4+2 with pawns, and finished about half of 3+3 with pawns, >including krpkrp and kqpkqp. 3+3 are slower to calculate, as there are less >tables with identical pieces, locality is worse, and process stabilizes much >slower. Not sure when I'll do the remaining ones. > >Thanks, >Eugene > >>Helmut
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