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Subject: Re: Beauty In Chess..The Differences Between Human And Computer Play

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 17:19:17 01/20/05

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On January 20, 2005 at 19:45:24, Steve B wrote:

>Kasparov also accused the deep blue team of cheating
>
>Kasparov is another subject entirely
>>>>>winning,
>>
>>Isn't that the goal?
>
>no it was never the goal of the initial AI researchers
>it has become the goal due to the quest to win tournaments and make money
>not that there is anything wrong with making money,but it does not tell us much
>about the way Humans play chess(which was the goal)

We do not even understand how the human brain works, let alone how it might play
chess (except on a very elementary level).  If the objective was to make it play
exactly like humans, then I suggest that such an effort is more or less a
complete waste of time.  After all, we already have humans to accomplish that
goal.

>>>brute force,speed and power are the order of the day
>>
>>Kasparov has the brute force, speed and power about equal to any current
>>comptuer.  Is that a bad thing?
>
>this is not even close
>Deep Blue utilized 512 multi-processors and examined millions of nodes per
>second
>i can assure you even Kasaprov does not do that

Deep Blue can calculate 200 M NPS, so it was at a disadvantage of a factor of
about 500,000, since the computer would need 100 million MIPS to match human
brain power:
http://www.transhumanist.com/volume1/moravec.htm

>i think your missing the point here
>perhaps i am just not making the point to well

Your point is that computers will play beautiful chess when they play the way
that you think they should.

My point is that compters play beautiful chess right now.  I know it is a fact,
because it is beautiful to me.  And if it is beautiful to me it does not have to
be beautiful to you in order to be beautiful.

If you want to say that computers do not play chess that is beautiful to you
then I cannot possibly disagree, because beauty is totally subjective.



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