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Subject: Re: Could we get a Shredder 9.04 upgrade coming out of IPCCC?

Author: Rex

Date: 05:23:04 02/27/05

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On February 27, 2005 at 08:09:04, Sandro Necchi wrote:

>On February 27, 2005 at 07:52:09, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>
>>On February 27, 2005 at 07:22:44, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>
>>>>And this is my original question.  Why should we NOT see a Shredder 9.01 free
>>>>release based on some knowledged learned from IPCCC?  Sure would be nice.
>>>
>>>Maybe after the match against Hydra...:-)
>>>
>>>Well, do not forget that we cannot test against Hydra while they do and they
>>>have no money problems at all to test with any kind of harware.
>>>
>>>If we will improve the program, as we are planning, we may will make a Shredder
>>>10 new realease or an upgrade to 9.0 as Stefan will decide later...
>>>
>>>First we need to improve the program and beat Hydra...
>>>
>>
>> In my opinion and from what i have seen so far from "Shredder 9 + the used
>>hardware" and "Hydra + 16 or 32 processors" is that the two
>>Chess-playing-systems are about equal with Hydra having a slighly better
>>knowledge on attacking the King.
>>
>>BUT since:
>>A)Shredder's book was available for studying it and i don't think that the
>>modification you played was something totally different.....
>>B)Shredder 9 is available for testing and finding holes-weak parts at it and the
>>exact Shredder 9 played this last tournament......
>>C)Shredder didn't played using 16 CPU's or 32 CPU's.......
>
>we used a quad processors.
>
>>D)Hydra isn't available for testing and finding holes-weak parts at it.....
>>E)Hydra's book, even a modification of it, isn't available......
>>
>>i think Shredder is far on top............ And since i didn't know that Shredder
>>'s version that played against Hydra the 8 match and lost was a "buggy"
>>(whatever this mean) version, i can strengthen my opinion about this
>>matter.......
>
>OK, I can explain more what happened:
>
>the program part handling pieces exchange and pieces sacrifices was removed by
>accident, so everytime the program was pondering moves involving that was
>heavely handicapped or nearly blind. The deeper the program searched the bigger
>the handicap was.
>See the last game we lost to understand what we were facing and trying to avoid
>in the openings...as you can see that was a major handicap.
>In some games the handicap was (to me) of several hundreds of Elo points. In
>other games more limited.
>
>Sandro
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This kind of positions are not frequent, so to take a single game as "rule" is
>>>>>wrong to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Remember Deep Blue in New York.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sure I would like there to be such an event, but I am afraid it will not be.
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe there will be; maybe in summer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ernst.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sandro

Interesting,

Yes I do think its time for a rematch.



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