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Subject: Re: Exposing Clones is criminal !

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 16:50:14 03/09/05

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On March 09, 2005 at 19:18:05, Heinz van Kempen wrote:

>Hi Tord :-),
>
>yes, I saw of course that you mainly reacted to Karl-Heinz and in my opinion it
>was very unlucky that he initially and over many hours did not gave the full
>information he had in this forum and only in "Schachwerkstatt".
>
>So I wanted to make clear that I already had this information, before I posted
>about similarities in games output. I would not have posted them without the
>other evidence, would have extended my tests to 100 positions and more to decide
>if to take Toga into CEGT, that is a very CPU time consuming event. Probably we
>would have renounced to take it in and I would have simply send an email to
>Karl-Heinz and the author asking if we are dealing with an engine very similar
>to Fruit.
>
>I appreciate that Fabien, you and others want to do something positive for all
>the authors and give them some more clues, but it apparently involves that there
>will almost "paste and copy clones". Luckily those will be the easiest to
>detect, but cloners will learn to be more clever.

In the same way, there will always be plaguarists.  This was odd to me:

From http://www.galeschools.com/black_history/bio/haley_a.htm :
"A 1977 lawsuit brought by Margaret Walker charged that Roots plagiarized her
novel Jubilee. Another author, Harold Courlander also filed a suit charging that
Roots plagiarized his novel The African. Courlander received a settlement after
several passages in Roots were found to be almost verbatim from The African.
Haley claimed that researchers helping him had given him this material without
citing the source."

>For us testers there is simply the question if it is not better to opt for the
>other way. First not to include engines that are already very strong with their
>first release, not include betas without versions already released and just wait
>and see until we can be sure that they are based mainly on own work and genius.

I don't think that genius is as important as you might think.  It's probably
closer to Edison's description of genius as "1% inspiration and 99%
perspiration"



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