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Subject: Re: Tasc R30 faster than Shredder 9 on a modern PC?

Author: Martin Slowik

Date: 10:19:00 03/31/05

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On March 31, 2005 at 12:22:53, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On March 31, 2005 at 11:27:43, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>>On March 31, 2005 at 11:00:11, F. Huber wrote:
>>
>>>On March 31, 2005 at 10:09:48, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On March 31, 2005 at 09:54:46, F. Huber wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On March 31, 2005 at 09:39:52, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>      Personally, I am not at all interested in how
>>>>>>      fast a "normal" chess program does solve
>>>>>>      a chess problem with mate in X but much more
>>>>>>      interested in seeing the performance of an
>>>>>>      engine in practical chess positions (positions
>>>>>>      that can happen in a game). For chess problems
>>>>>>      we can use the special programs. And so it does
>>>>>>      not bother me if Shredder should need a lot of time
>>>>>>      to find the solution in the given position :-)
>>>>>>      Kurt
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello Kurt,
>>>>>
>>>>>"practical chess positions (positions that can happen in a game)"?
>>>>>Would you say, a position with mate in X can _not_ happen in a game?
>>>>>Have you really never _mated_ your opponent (or have been mated by him)?
>>>>>
>>>>>A quite strange opinion - IMO. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Franz.
>>>>
>>>>      Hello Franz
>>>>      For your better understanding I should perhaps
>>>>      have stated "realistic" and "unrealistic"
>>>>      chess positions.
>>>>      Regards
>>>>      Kurt
>>>
>>>Hello Kurt,
>>>
>>>that won´t change anything - look at the #5 position in the posting at the
>>>start of this thread: is this "unrealistic"? Not at all IMO!
>>>
>>>And the same is true for lots of mate problems, although of course there
>>>exist also many mate puzzles, which are absolutely ´constructed´ and so
>>>(in your words) "unrealistic".
>>>But isn´t the _main_ goal of chess some ´mate in X´?
>>
>>No, the main goal is to force resignation of your opponent.
>>
>>>So almost every won (or lost) game ends up in such a ´mate in X´ -
>>>and that´s absolutely "realistic"! :-)
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Franz.
>>
>>Kurt is absolutely right.The solution is not realistic at all.
>>1.Kh5 is _not_ the best move in this position in human chess, 1.Bxd5+ is.
>>Why?
>>It wins the game ímmediately since any decent chessplayer would resign in no
>>time in view of 1...Kxd5 2.Ne3+.
>>
>>Michael
>
>      Just right Michael
>      The position is in so far unrealistic as
>      White can easily win with 1.Bxd5 and any
>      chessplayer (who deserves this title) would
>      have resigned before not allowing White to get
>      this position. And in such situations it's
>      absolutely of non interest if White can
>      mate in X moves.
>      Kurt

I'm a chessplayer myself but the realism is here not the point. The reasoning in
this thread somehow raises for example the question if you never look at
paintings at all. I mean if photographs show every detail much better than
paintings, it's 'absolutely of no interest' to paint anything as well... ;)
Martin



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