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Subject: Re: Fruit fly races

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 16:58:18 04/06/05

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On April 06, 2005 at 19:46:56, Anthony Cozzie wrote:

>First, the author of this quote is simple WRONG.  The generally accepted theory
>of how humans play chess is that the brain does fuzzy matching on a database of
>several hundred thousand positions.  The amount of computation needed to do that
>is FAR greater than the amount expended by a "conventional" AB searcher, and yet
>the computer plays MUCH better than the average human.  The simple fact of the
>matter, which you refuse to recognize, is that AB-search with reasonable
>heuristics is the most efficient way to play chess with Von Neuman machines.
>
>Secondly, the existence of current amateur and commercial programs does nothing
>to prevent you from writing whatever kind of chess playing agent you want.  If
>you want to experiment, no one is stopping you or him from applying to NSF for
>research money and giving it a shot.  The existence of "fruit fly races" - and
>his fruit fly analogy is totally flawed.  A better analogy would be that a
>geneticist decided to make a fruit fly that could run faster than a human - does
>nothing to prevent casual study of one's own fruit flies.
>
>But much more importantly, the fact that you do not consider current chess
>programs to be interesting and prefer formal AI does not mean that you need to
>consantly post about how all chess engines are stupidly simple and their authors
>are morons with room temperature IQs.  What elevates this from stupidity to
>irony is that Symbolic on ICC is in fact an AB searcher, which means that all
>you have to show for your grandiose themes is a bunch of arrogant livejournal
>nonsense and a standard chess program.  Once you actually get something working,
>then we can talk.

His program is a hybrid.

>I can stand arrogant people, and I can stand stupid people, but I simply cannot
>tolerate people like you who are both clueless and arrogant as hell.  So why
>don't you just STFU until you actually accomplish something?

How about the PGN standard?  He is the author.



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