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Subject: Re: Crafty vs. Hyda-Scylla. Bob, could this work?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 11:41:49 04/20/05

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On April 20, 2005 at 12:33:24, Keith Ian Price wrote:

>
>IBM recently came out with their Power-5 module:
>
>http://static.userland.com/weblogsCom/images/wallyswisdomwarehouseweblogscom/8XPower5MCM.jpg
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>This module has 4 dual-core multi-theaded Power PCs similar to the ones used in
>the Mac G5. That makes for a total of 16 virtual cores, and IBM has a system
>that ties 8 of these modules together with a 4GB/s bus for a total of 128
>virtual cores. The other four chips in the module are 4x36MB L3 cache. Since
>Crafty already gets about 1500 kns on a fast processor, and the mult-threading
>on a core offers about a 15-20% speedup, Crafty would likely exceed 100,000 kns
>on a full system, especially if the hash tables could be kept in the L3 cache.
>First, would it be possible to run a 128-thread version of Crafty? If so, do you
>suppose that IBM might be interested in affording you the use of one of these,
>as a Professor of Computer Science, to have a match against the self-proclaimed
>successor to Deep Blue? I imagine they would get some good publicity having an
>off-the-shelf IBM computer beat the specially designed chess computer in a
>match. What do you think?

Hard to say.  The "dual-core" part sounds good.  The other part about what
appears to be a form of "hyper-threading" does not.  HT for Crafty is actually a
losing proposition after the changes Eugene and I worked on (with AMD) for the
NUMA stuff last year.  My dual xeon has HT disabled.

But that aside, this could be a pretty powerful box.  I've said all along that
the FPGA approach is not a particularly attractive approach considering what
could be done with an ASIC (ala' deep blue 2) vs a far slower FPGA solution.  I
would not be surprised if later this year the dual-core boxes were able to
surpass the Hydra performance level, we will see...





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