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Subject: Re: Winning against a CCP in Playchess at 3 min. is NO joke

Author: Henrik Dinesen

Date: 08:32:03 05/17/05

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On May 17, 2005 at 09:08:10, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Jonas,
>
>> Post some of your wins with standard time control (where the computer gives
>> up or get's mated) and let's talk.
>
>I do not have the games, but I think Pablo has them. He has even beaten Hydra at
>60+0... Also on time. And he has done several draws in longer time controls with
>his playing system.
>
>What he shows to us is, that mankind can still find ways to beat the engines,
>there are enough backdoors left. They must just be discoverd.
>
>E.g. look at Kurt Utzingers games. Of course his tactics is not as extreme, but
>he also tries to close up the position. And with that he achieves several draws
>against almost all strong programs. As far as I know his Elo is also below
>2000...
>
>Now you can make any conclusion out of that you want, but in fact I am pretty
>sure that chess engines are not yet as strong as one thinks. The only problem
>why they look so strong against humans is, that especially the strongest players
>have not tried yet systems like Kurt or Pablo use. Quit possible that they do
>not like that style. This might change when it gets financially interesting for
>them, so far they earn there money in games against humans and not against
>computers.
>
>Greets, Thomas


Hi Thomas,

When matches and tournaments is supposed to appeal to the puplic, you can't
expect many adopt dull anti-comp systems as the way to go.
For years people have complained about the quick draws and safe play between
GM's. It's not different when a GM meets a program with a lot of PR attached to
the event. People wants to see action! The medias covers action, and if ends
with draw, then it's mostly ok it was exciting enough.
Of course, money is always a part of it.

Henrik



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