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Subject: Re: More Adam vs Hydra Hype

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 09:02:37 05/26/05

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On May 26, 2005 at 10:40:04, Darrel Briley wrote:

>There's another article on Chessbase site today concerning the upcoming match.
>
>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2412
>
>It's interesting to note that despite the upcoming Adams/Leko match beginning
>June 2nd (a rapid match), the match with Hydra is getting all the press.  Some
>highlights from the article:
>
>...processing power equivalent to more than 200 standard PCs

32 pc processors

Please prove me that such a simple program like hydra cannot search with
millions of nodes a second single cpu in software. Even crafty can get what is
it 2+ million nps at an opteron or so?

Additional it's without hashtables last X plies and very poor move ordering
techniques in hardware (it does have killer moves as opposed to deep blue, so
it's *far more* efficient in hardware than DB was at its days).

>...64-way cluster computer

32 processors used though. I'm sure it would be more effective when run in
software. However would you have written this posting then?

>...16 nodes of four computers, with each node boasting 32GB of memory

Not used last 6 plies or so in search.

>...Each computer has an Intel Xeon 3.06 Ghz.

Irrelevant, search is in hardware.

>...It has never been beaten by a human.

Oh there is *many* programs that can say that with respect to official matches.

>And some of the expamples provided to demonstrate Hydra's power:

>-1 second to analyse 200 million chess moves and chose the best one. This

Please note the node count of hydra is just guessed. There is not hardware
beancounter. So he's just doing software nodes times some optimistic number of
nodes a search which is guessed. And no doubt a factor 3 to 4 too much.

>includes projecting the game 18-40 moves head (6 more than Deep Blue)

Deep blue searched 10 ply search depth in crucial positions and up to 12 ply
deep in other positions. Hydra will get double that depth. So that's 10 moves
look ahead.

>-1 millisecond to calculate all possible angles and determine whether Luis
>Garcia’s shot was a goal in the Champions League semi-final
>-1 second to match a finger print to any person within the UK

No way, in any arabic state they're not clever enough to develop such techniques
themselves :)

>-Less than 1.5 minutes to match a finger print to any person in the world
>-Approximately five minutes to calculate every prime number between 1 and 1x1051
>(a sexdicillion)

Hello, i can calculate prime numbers up to 10 million digits at my pc nearly,
though not within 5 minutes.

A prime number of 1051 digits is really peanuts to calculate within seconds.

I'll have to refer to some other software mine there.

Vincent







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