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Subject: Re: The Indentity Parade

Author: Christopher Conkie

Date: 15:12:56 06/10/05

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Hello John,

This original post is to do with the discovery of the capabilities of ALL
engines. Yes, you can discover what is under the hood of clones as well as
original engines by this method.

Someone recently asked me if (in a qwivering voice I might add) if I could apply
the same with method to commercial engines of a very distinct format. The answer
at that point was no.

Now, it is yes.

X-ray eyes are now reality.

I should point out that illegal and legal positions can be used to do this and
that a large number of positions is required to gain "a complete feel" for an
engine.

It follows that because we can discover the genetic makeup of an engine, that we
can trace their respective histories.

We can determine from whence they came. If they came from other stock and were
passed off as legitimate and oringinal works, we will know it, from now on and
retrospectively.

There is no point in rushing to program the rules of chess (as is proper) into
an engine. That should have been done long ago and is a telling enditement of
shoddy workmanship or just plain code duplication.

Forget strength, forget eval.....how about starting with the rules first.

That would be a really good idea.....

It's too late to start covering tracks now. The game is over. We have gained all
the information we require already.

I would rather have an engine with new and original ideas that played like a pig
than have an engine that is 2600 (maybe sold) and cobbled together from the
efforts others.

If you are a "group" say so and put it on the outside of the packet or in the
information that is bundled with the engine.

Don't con me (and yourself)......because I will know it and it would be very
counter-productive for computer chess and untimately for you.

It must be like being "ratted on" by your closest friend. The engines reveal
their roots and there is nothing that can be done now by anyone.

I can tell you that plagarism is alive and well (but not for long) in both the
amateur and commercial markets. Programmers talk to each other, swap things.

How much is what is being found out here.....and it does not look good.

That is the problem with chess engines. They are calculators. I am here to tell
you that the equation "x + y = z" is very easy to solve if I know both "x" and
"z".

Sometimes "y" is a large number which makes calling the program "z" somewhat of
a lie.

Most importantly, can someone please tell me why it is that engines that are
sold for playing chess, do not understand the rules of chess?

Circumstancial evidence? No these are fingerprints and they do not lie.

Christopher





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