Author: Uri Blass
Date: 05:13:48 07/31/05
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On July 31, 2005 at 02:29:31, Madhavan wrote: >On July 31, 2005 at 01:57:21, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On July 31, 2005 at 00:49:33, Madhavan wrote: >> >>>On July 30, 2005 at 12:33:06, Günther Simon wrote: >>> >>>>On July 30, 2005 at 11:47:18, Madhavan wrote: >>>> >>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 10:00:02, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On July 30, 2005 at 07:07:48, Günther Simon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On July 29, 2005 at 20:01:32, Pablo Ignacio Restrepo wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Some words to the great Alejandro Mendez from playchess. !!!!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Alejandro Mendez(son-of-father), from Argentina, have won to Zappa 2.0b. in a >>>>>>>>10+10 time control game. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Son-Of-Father, a human being, have had until 2737 elo into engines room >>>>>>>>fromplaychess playing and beating many engines 100% as a human being. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Now the tourn for a k.o. have been to Zappa. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>This is worse than yellow press. >>>>>>>The game was played by a beta tester of Zappa (not by Anthony, not by Arturo) >>>>>>>and it was played at the crappy Playchess server with a buggy GUI (the only >>>>>>>one allowed there). The buggy GUI cannot play on after move 256. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I am not sure if the chessbase interface cannot play on or if it sends the >>>>>>engine wrong information that cause it to lose on time. >>>>>> >>>>>>I tested Movei under the chessbase interface not in playchess and one of the >>>>>>problem is that after move 256 the interface send fen and not a move. >>>>>>It also seems to me that the chessbase interface does not send correct time to >>>>>>the engine. >>>>>> >>>>>>and in 10+10 assumes that the time remaining is always 610 seconds regardless to >>>>>>the time on the clock. >>>>>> >>>>>>programs probably can play if they do not believe the time that the interface >>>>>>tell them but they should also know to ignore the position that they >>>>>>get(otherwise they can do repetition in a better position for no reason). >>>>> >>>>>I checked out the playchess site,once you offer a draw,you can't claim to offer >>>>>more draws unless 5 moves are made after the 1st claim,the bug has been fixed. >>>>> >>>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>Even if you can now only offer silly draws after 5 moves it is an incredible >>>>bug, that the _opponent_ needs to close that silly draw offers on _his_ time. >>> >>>sir,Its not like a player cannot have chance to offer draw.5 moves is reasonable >>>when you play in tournament[physical presence]I bet you can bug your winning >>>opponent with more draws in less than 1 move!how can your opponent ignore you? >>> >>>ignoring a draw is just a matter of pressing spacebar,you have to click the draw >>>on the corner which takes more time for you to do just that than your winning >>>opponent pressing space bar. >> >>Maybe you are right and I never tried it but the only way that I knew to reject >>abort(usually annoyers ask to abort) is by moving the mouse and it takes time >>when you are in time trouble. > > that happens only when your annoyers ask for a draw after every 5 moves,its a >chess rule.it would take more time for an annoyer to click the freen draw button >than an opponent to press space bar. This is not relevant and there is no reason to force the player who want to win to lose time. The player should be allowed to move and ignore the opponent. If I have 0.1 seconds for all the game and 2 moves to mate the opponent that I prepare with the premove the opponent should not be allowed to win the game by offering a draw that I may need 0.2 seconds to reject. > >>The time that the opponent spend is unimportant because it is possible that only >>one side is in time trouble. > > >>>>so 5 moves are just nothing and you are able to annoy your winning opponent >>>>again. >>> >>>see above.5 moves are reasonable,winning player should have oppurtinity to offer >>>draw to ahis opponent if he had lless time left in his clock. >>otherwise the >>>winning player would lose on time inspite of positinal and material advantage. >> >>No >> >>time is part of the game in the internet and if one side believe that he is >>going to lose without offering a draw then I think that it is not nice to offer >>a draw. > >when one winning side believes that he has no time to outwit his opponent,and >should claim a draw. No If he has no time he should lose the game unless the opponent has no material to win even against mistaeks. Player that is a piece down will usually reject a draw offer if he see that he is going to win on time. > >not nice to offer a draw?then you would lose rating,lose game etc If You have no time you desetve to lose and offering something that you know that you probnably cannot get is not nice. > > >>>>What about the abort offers BTW? >>> >>>thats nonsense,winning player should have oppurtinity to accept the draw offer >>>when he has enough time left in his clock >> >>I do not understand what it has to be with abort offers. >you should have opputinity to offer draw after every 5 moves even your opponent >declines The opponent should do nothing to decline(even not to press space bar) It is better if the opponent need to press the space bar if he wants to accept the draw. > >>I guess you mean that winning player should have the opportunity to accept draw >>when he has not enough time in his clock and I disagree. > >no,the winning player should have the opputinity to offer draw to his opponent >when he has enough time left,and also opponent should have opppurtinity to offer >draw when he had material disadvantage. >draw claim after every 5 moves looks reasonable,why do you disagree? I disagree about the fact that player have to use their time to reject the draw and I also think that offering a draw should be done only when you believe that there is no way to prevent draw or in equal position or when one side has an advantage that is not enough. > > >>>>Such a feature only leads to permanent cheating attempts. >>> >>>Cheating?you couldnt cheat on chessbase server >> >>Nonsense. >> >>People can cheat in every server. > >cheat and later get their banned,YOU CANNOT CHEAT IN BULLET GAMES >how do you cheat?blitz games,they can cheat by having 2 computers. It is also possible to cheat in bullet by having 2 computers(espacially 1+2 time control). I think that the most efficient way is to talk in the phone with a friend that has a computer when you tell the friend the opponent moves and the friend tell you the moves that you should play. > >>> >>>>(There are lots of cheaters anyway, if one searches through the lists, >>>>one can find people with ridiculous national ratings having > 2300 in >>>>bullet and blitz) >>> >>>I would like to let you know that Playchess rating is not measured as per FIDe >>>rating,Playchess rating evaluates very low for a good FIDE rated player,there >>>are many players having 2200 FIDe rating but less playchess rating[about 1700] >>>If the player is rated 2000 in playchess server,he might be around 2400 FIDE >>>elo. >> >>Nonsense. > >It would make more sense if you see many players profile,there was a big gap of >the rating they have in bullet games. > >don't say playchess rating eval==FIDE alo,I was talking about bullet,anything >can happen. I agree that anything can happen espacially in bullet when part of the players even do not know about the premove. > >>I have rating of above 2000 in playchess and I am not close to 2400 fide >rating. > >you did not always play bullet,I have never played bullet games. >BTW what's your playchess Id?I can add you as a friend,that would be quite >easier to find when you go online,thanks. I use simply the name Uri_Blass My current elo is 2001 bullet,2069 blitz and I also have rating above 2000 in slow. Today I have no fide rating(I had in the past more than 2000 and lost it and in that time 2000 was the minimal fide rating and later I did not play enough games that were considered for fide rating) but my israeli rating is 2103(it is probably too high because I had a lot of luck in my last tournament and 2050 Israeli rating that is equivalent to 2050 fide rating is my estimate of my playing strength). > >>I am not the best bullet player or the best blitz player and I know about >>players with rating near 1800 who are stronger than me in playchess(at least in >>bullet). > >Sorry,I only play bullet games!My best Bullet rating crossed around 1830 >If I play Blitz I would have crossed around 2000,I have been playing 1 minute >each a lot. >There are many playchess players having 1750 rating but 2050 FIDE ELO,see their >profile I find that rating in playchess is dependent on the time of playing. The best bullet rating that I got is 2131(I played a lot of bullet games and chessbase did not save it) but there are times when bullet players play so strong that I have problems even to get above 1800. > >and one chess player having 1850 playchess elo and plays like 2300 elo. I think that there are players of both types and it is very important if you have a better mouse than the opponent in bullet 1+0. If you play bullet it may be also better to know some tricks in that game For example if you notice that your opponent use the premove you can play stupid sacrifices and I won the opponent queen by Nxf2 and Nxd1 because I saw that he is using the premove too much. It also happened to me that weaker opponent won my queen by Bxc7 and Bxd8 but I did not resign and drew the game and it is a mistake to resign in bullet even if you are a queen down. In one game I saw that the opponent can win the game by mate next move. He played Rd1+ and the only legal move that I had was Be1 when he could win the game by Rxe1# but I decided to play Be1 and not resign and my opponent simply did not take the bishop(I guess that he imagined that the bishop is defended that was not correct) and I won the game(inspite of it there are cases when I resign and it is dependent on the level of the opponent and on the time that he has to finish the game and time that I have to finish the game). > >>Note that games in playchess are clearly different than games in real life >>because of the premove. > >you have to press the clock after each move,you cannot play bullet in real life >quite fairly.that's one advantage to note about chess servers > > >>If you see that the opponent is in serious time trouble then it may be a good >>idea to play some stupid check so the premove of the opponent will be illegal >>and the opponent will lose on time. > >you cannot blame chess rule,giving check is not stupid,its perfectly valid chess >move. Yes It is valid move but objectively it lose the game and it will never be played in a serious tournament. > >Question should be:why the opponent spent more time?altough both players start >with equal time on clock.Bullet is fun. Always one player is spending more time. It is impossible to prevent it. I can add telling another trick that can be used against the premove not only in bullet. Imagine the following position [D]8/8/k7/pp6/8/4q3/5RK1/8 w - - 0 1 black has a winning position so to simplify things he plays Qxf2+ and planning with the premove a4 He does not consider nothing except the logical move Kxf2. White is smarter and play Kh1 and the premove cause stalemate. Finally I give example of justified thinking in bullet and I give part of one of my games there. I was black and thought 17 seconds about move 20 and I lost almost half of my time but I found the only move and finally won the game. Usually it is a bad idea to use 17 seconds for a single move but in this case my opponent had more time so I knew that losing a piece is almost the same as resigning. [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "?"] [Round "-"] [White "?"] [Black "?"] [Result "*"] 1. d4 e6 2. c3 d5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. g3 Be7 5. Bg2 O-O 6. O-O c5 7. Nbd2 cxd4 8. Nxd4 Nc6 9. Nxc6 bxc6 10. e4 dxe4 11. Nxe4 Qxd1 12. Rxd1 Nxe4 13. Bxe4 Rd8 14. Rxd8+ Bxd8 15. Bxc6 Rb8 16. Bf4 Rb6 17. Ba4 Rxb2 18. Bb3 Bb6 19. Rd1 Rxf2 20. Be3 * Uri
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