Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 09:39:39 08/24/05
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On August 24, 2005 at 12:20:57, Uri Blass wrote: >On August 24, 2005 at 11:07:17, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On August 24, 2005 at 04:10:36, Fabien Letouzey wrote: >> >>>On August 23, 2005 at 15:23:49, Ulf Flörsheimer wrote: >>> >>>>Does anybody know if, when and how the WCCC version of Fruit will be >>>>distributed? >>>> >>>>Ulf >>> >>>I don't know myself. >>> >>>Professionals who came to WCCC said that Fruit is not a threat for their >>>sellings. Others are welcomed to let me know of their opinion by email >>>(fabien_letouzey@hotmail.com). However some experts expect more and more Fruit >>>clones in future tournaments (including on-the-board ones), especially after the >>>performance in WCCC. >>> >>>There is also the insufficiency (IMO) of the GPL in the chess case that I have >>>to ponder on (pun intended). >>> >>>For these reasons, I have decided so far NOT to release my source code anymore. >>>Continuing to do so could harm the community beyond repair, and at the same time >>>I believe that public Fruit 2.1 is strong enough to participate in a paradigm >>>revolution (skeptical programs or whatever). >>> >>>Thanks for listening, >>> >>>Fabien. >> >> >>I think this is a decision you have to make by _yourself_. I would not think >>about commercial interests, because I doubt you will find that they think about >>you when they are developing and selling their code. >> >>I chose to release my source because I thought it was reasonable for everyone to >>have access to a reasonably-state-of-the-art program to look at. Yes, it has >>caused some problems (clones for one). But then again, I can recall a clone >>prior to anyone releasing source. Someone showed up at a WMCCC years ago with a >>"clone" of chess genius, hacked with a debugger to change some of the >>identifying output, but genius nonetheless... >> >>So the clone problem will always be around. If not your program, then mine, or >>any of the other open-source programs. > >Yes but the risk that a clone may win important tournaments is bigger when the >program becomes stronger. > >I think that more people may want to clone program that they believe that it can >win WCCC and not to clone a program that they expect to finish at the middle of >the table and Crafty in the last years is not a program that people expect to >win WCCC. > >Uri expect or not, it is _capable_. Just look at the CCT events and notice how many times Crafty has finished in clear first, or tied for first. With most commercial programs entered also. Worrying about what +might+ happen is pretty pointless. And the flip-side is that it _does_ drive computer chess program development forward faster. If everything was developed in a black hole, we wouldn't have the automobile as it is today, same for aircraft, microelectronics, etc. Would be a sad world, and we'd still be living in the 60's technology-wise...
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