Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 18:43:38 02/26/99
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On February 26, 1999 at 13:43:08, blass uri wrote:
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>On February 26, 1999 at 13:16:01, Christophe Theron wrote:
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>>On February 26, 1999 at 08:44:12, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
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>>>On February 26, 1999 at 01:35:04, Ed Schröder wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Posted by Vincent Diepeveen on February 25, 1999 at 21:10:49:
>>>
>>>>>>I always use the default auto232 setting "/m100". In your case (using /m60)
>>>>>>the error rate is of course very high as there will be many games terminated
>>>>>>with scores like +1.xx or -2.xx. And then what? It's not always clear to judge
>>>>>>such games. Better use "/m100" IMO as it pays off in the end.
>>>
>>>>>Easy to judge for me. don't forget i have over 1000 rating points more
>>>>>than you. So /m60 is well enough.
>>>
>>>>That's a non valid point in the first place. Terminating games after 60 moves
>>>>having a score like -1.xx in comp-comp is meaningless as anything still can
>>>>happen.
>>>
>>>>Secondly, I did not know your rating was over 3200.
>>>
>>>As competition leader i have the bad habit to be busy a lot with
>>>ratings and such:
>>>
>>>Dutch national list. Everyone that plays national competition, yes
>>>even someone playing regional competition nowadays is in the national
>>>rating list. Also people that play tournaments are in the list anyway.
>>>Further a rating doesn't get away. Someone being a member of the
>>>dutch computer chess club, also is automatically member of the
>>>dutch national chess association, and if he plays somewhere he has
>>>a rating therefore.
>>>
>>>Here the programmers i could find:
>>>
>>>Walter Ravenek (arthur) 1997
>>>Bart Weststrate (kallisto) 1863
>>>Frans Morsch (quest) -
>>>Ed Schroder (rebel) - (ed is not at the list for sure)
>>>Vincent Diepeveen (diep) 2234
>>>Johan de Koning (the king) -
>>>Marcel v. Kervinck (rookie) -
>>>Alex v Tiggelen (alexs) 1335
>>>Joos Buijs (nightmare now alexs) 1932
>>>Peter Kouwenhoven (dappet) -
>>>Gijsbert Wiesenekker (zzzzzz) 1961 (has also contributed to crafty)
>>>Tom Vijlbrief (ant) - (can lucky make moves on the board now,
>>> after seeing his program print out the
>>> move)
>>>Aske Plaat (cilk) -
>>>bugchess team members ????
>>>jan louwman (operates nimzo) -
>>>Fre Felkers (delta) -
>>>morphy programmer ????
>>
>>
>>It is clear to me since several years that being a good chess player is a
>>serious handicap for anybody trying to write a top level chess program.
>
>I do not see a logical reason why being a good chess player is a serious
>handicap.
>
>I think that most of the good chess players did not try to write a program.
>
>Uri
Maybe I should say: not being a good chess player is a good thing when you want
to write a good chess program.
I'm not sure you will agree on this anyway.
I notice that strong chess players who tried to write a good chess program did
not succeed. I notice that there are weak chess players able to write the very
best chess programs.
From a statistical point of view it means nothing, as you can argue that there
are very few good chess players that tried to write a chess program, and many
programmers are anyway weak chess players.
But I notice that when I tried to include a lot of chess knowledge in my program
I was not successful. When I removed all the stuffs and tried to keep only the
very basic knowledge my program began to get stronger.
Hard to explain everything in a few lines, but I can give some examples of human
chess knowledge that, IMO, is useless for a chess program:
* forks
* pins
* tempi
Don't you think a good player would try very hard to implement these concepts in
the first place? And I can tell you that he would loose his time...
Or maybe, surprisingly, there is NO relation between "being a strong chess
player" and "being the programmer of a strong chess program". I mean that being
strong at chess gives you no special advantage when you write your chess
program.
Maybe it is easier too agree on this...
Christophe
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