Author: Stephen Ham
Date: 10:10:51 09/09/05
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On September 09, 2005 at 11:25:25, Uri Blass wrote: >On September 09, 2005 at 09:21:28, Côme wrote: > >>On September 09, 2005 at 08:43:41, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On September 09, 2005 at 08:06:29, Torstein Hall wrote: >>> >>>>On September 09, 2005 at 07:21:52, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 09, 2005 at 06:41:24, Alex Shalamanov wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On September 09, 2005 at 05:55:16, Madhavan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I expect that there would be less customers if shredder were to be released >>>>>>>sooner because of its WCCC results. >>>>>>>For Fruit,I don't know I expect Fabien to give us a great surprise by releasing >>>>>>>his program freely [with or without code] >>>>>>>I don't want source code anyway :) >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't know. The correspondence chess community does not always take into >>>>>>account the WCCC results because engine to engine games are not very important >>>>>>for them. >>>>> >>>>>As a correspondence player engine games are important for me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is more important for CC players is good deep analysis, training >>>>>>and commenting facilities that is why they choose mostly CB Shredder or Fritz. >>>>> >>>>>I see no difference between Shredder UCI and CB Shredder and every engine that >>>>>can be used under CB interface. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Since CC players are likely the most customers for chess products apart from OTB >>>>>>titled players, it's this chess group that makes ultimate profits for chess >>>>>>software developers. >>>>> >>>>>I doubt it. >>>>> >>>>>Are there more than 1000 correspondence players who buy new chessbase programs? >>>>> >>>>>My guess is that part of them use old programs and part of them crack chessbase >>>>>software. >>>> >>>>I am quite sure you are correct on this one. I read an interview with a >>>>norwegian cor. GM Ivar Bern who is close to winning in the corr. World >>>>Championship. (I am not sure for what year...) He used an old version of Fritz >>>>and was happy to make the strategical choices himself, while he checked all the >>>>tactics with Fritz. >>>> >>>>Torstein >>> >>>I checked and he is probably one of the winners in the 17th final with 10.5/16 >>>only one player with 5/9 can in thoery score more than him. >>> >>>I know that there are people that do it but I am surprised that it could work >>>also on the level of winning a world title. >>> >>>I think that the fact that GM Oosterom, Joop J. van scores so well also suggest >>>that the level of the correspondence players is not very high. >>> >>>He scored 11/15 in the 18th final and now is playing in the 21th final. >>>It is interesting how many points he is going to get there. >>> >>>I think that it should be harder for him to win games because as favourite I >>>expect most of the opponents to play for a draw against him and choose lines >>>that gives bigger probability for a draw. >>> >>>Uri >> >>It is strongly rumored GM Jeroen Piket is really behind Oosterom success in the >>WC.... > >The surprise for me is that it is still possible to score so well in World >championship level in correspondence games because it is logical to expect a lot >of draws in the high level and to expect the champion to be unable to get more >than a score of something like 80% draws and 20% wins. > >Note that I heard a rumor that Oosterom has a lot of computers and GM's who help >him but it still seems a surprise for me that it is possible to score more than >70% in the high level and it only suggest that the best level in correspondence >games is not really high. > >I believe that chess is a draw and I expect almost every game in the high level >to be finished in a draw. > >Uri Hello Uri, Yes, Jeroen Piket is indeed an employee of JJ's. But it's unfair and far too cynical for Côme to thus conclude that Piket is making JJ's moves in CC. The simple fact is that J.J. van Oosterom was a dominant CC player for many years prior to hiring Piket as a businessman for his company. So why is it so difficult to see JJ dominant after he hired Piket? GM's generally don't make much money IMHO. So I can understand Piket, as a family man, abandoning professional chess in favor of a high-paying business career, with the possibility of a retirement pension. What retirement pension would he have had as a chess player? As far as I can tell - none. I think that Piket made the responsible "move" by taking the job with JJ. And bravo to JJ for helping Piket out with a lucrative career position. I agree with you too, Uri, that as the level of chess increases, so do the draws. We see this in computer chess, OTB chess, and certainly in correspondence chess. So if chess is indeed a draw (I also think it is), then this suggests that we're approaching the highest limits in chess. Like you, I find JJ's success amazing, but he's always scored highly. All the best, Steve
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