Author: KarinsDad
Date: 09:09:51 03/02/99
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On March 02, 1999 at 01:05:48, Bruce Moreland wrote: >I don't know what this does to what you say in your post, but the top 6 humans >on ICC have (combined) played a total of 11 blitz games against my program. >These guys are rated 2950 and up. What are the results of those 11 games? > >All of the highest rated humans don't play computers very much, if at all, they >play ultra-fast zero increment games (3 0, 4 0) against other humans. > >You can tell the GM's who play computers, their ratings tend to be in the 2500's >or 2600's, with a few notable exceptions. > >Ratings on ICC are goofy. > >bruce Yes, you are right. This does happen. However, this is not really skewed (or goofy) ratings data. This is accurate ratings data. It accurately measures the results of the games. But you have to be careful with what you are looking at (as with any data). In many large cities, you can find chess players in the parks who can beat practically anyone IM level or lower in G5 or faster. They consistently swindle their opponents. But when they play in standard timed tournaments, they are often only Expert level (with some exceptions). The original post mentioned that the data examined was with GMs who played against the programs as opposed to just humans. These results should be more "controlled" and less "skewed". Kasparov is considered to be the best chess player in the world. However, there are corresponence players who could look at his games and find mistakes. Deep Blue was able to take him apart. But that does not matter. His (mostly human) opponents cannot find his mistakes over the board, so he has the best standard over the board rating in the world. The same applies to the best ICC players at blitz. It does not matter that a computer can play the game better at these speeds. What does matter is that their rating reflects the results of their games (just like Kasparov's rating does). KarinsDad
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