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Subject: Re: Well I'll bet neither Hydra or any Computer Programcan equal this!

Author: chandler yergin

Date: 11:14:15 10/10/05

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On October 10, 2005 at 13:21:54, Uri Blass wrote:

>On October 10, 2005 at 13:00:36, chandler yergin wrote:
>
>>On October 10, 2005 at 12:54:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On October 10, 2005 at 11:27:41, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 10, 2005 at 10:43:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 10, 2005 at 10:24:01, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 10, 2005 at 10:11:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On October 10, 2005 at 08:39:05, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The point of course Uri is being able to announce Mate in 35 from this position!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>[D]8/2p5/2b2Bpp/2P5/pK2P1kP/1p6/1P6/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You can announce mate in won position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh yes.. given all the moves, the Computer now can find a mate.
>>>>>>No Computer can announce mate in 35 like the young lady.
>>>>>>Sorry Uri, you lose this one hands down!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The point is that there is no proof for mate in 35 and the defender could get
>>>>>>>mated in 36 moves by changing one of the moves in the condition.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>       Sorry, the 'proof' is in the game.
>>>>>
>>>>>No
>>>>>
>>>>>The defender could defend better and chest that find the shortest mate found
>>>>>longer mate after better move of the defender.
>>>>
>>>>In every game lost, the defender 'could' have played better or he would not have
>>>>lost. Is that not true?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If chest say mate in 8 after 70.Kd5 and mate in 7 after 70.Kd7 then it means
>>>>>that there is no mate in 7 after 70.Kd5 and it is obvious that her mate was one
>>>>>move longer in case that the human opponent played 70.Kd5 and accepting the rest
>>>>>of the condition.
>>>>
>>>> One move longer... yes, by a Computer.
>>>>From the position, can you calculate and find a Mate in 35 moves?
>>>>Without chest?
>>>>I don't think so.
>>>>Why can't you give credit where credit is due?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It was not important for the opponent to contradict the condition because the
>>>>>number of moves that he is losing was not important for him but she certainly
>>>>>did not prove mate in 35.
>>>>>
>>>>>>The defender 'could' you say?
>>>>>>Ahhh but he didn't did he?
>>>>>
>>>>>If I play against weak player then I can say mate in 70 in the opening position
>>>>>with white and give him a condition that he cannot refute.
>>>>
>>>>You can of course 'say' Mate in 70 but of course you can't prove it.
>>>>Right?
>>>>A useless and irresponsible comment.
>>>>So you say Mate in 70, the opponent blunders and you mate him in 17.
>>>
>>>Yes and this was similiar case to the case of  Mrs Gilbert.
>>>
>>>She said mate in 35 but she did not prove it and it could be only mate in 36 in
>>>case that the opponent did not follow her line even if she played the best moves
>>>after the opponent go out of her line.
>>>
>>>Uri
>>  No, you miss the point again.
>>She found a Mate in 35!
>>You remind me of the story about Capablanca who once announced Mate in 16.
>>He actually Mated the guy in 12.
>>His opponent said.. "Haa Haa Senior Capa you said it was Mate in 16."
>>Capa replied.. Well, I assumed you would play the best moves!
>>You are nit-picking Uri Stop it!
>
>The equivalent case was in case capablanca mated in 17 moves and in this case
>analysis proves that if you follow her line and change the move of the defender
>in the right moment you get mate in 36 and not mate in 35.

My mistake in the Posting.
Black was to move!
Does that change your opinion? Or anything?

>
>Uri



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