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Subject: Re: Well I'll bet neither Hydra or any Computer Programcan equal this!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:18:00 10/10/05

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On October 10, 2005 at 14:14:15, chandler yergin wrote:

>On October 10, 2005 at 13:21:54, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 10, 2005 at 13:00:36, chandler yergin wrote:
>>
>>>On October 10, 2005 at 12:54:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 10, 2005 at 11:27:41, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 10, 2005 at 10:43:13, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On October 10, 2005 at 10:24:01, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On October 10, 2005 at 10:11:44, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On October 10, 2005 at 08:39:05, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The point of course Uri is being able to announce Mate in 35 from this position!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>[D]8/2p5/2b2Bpp/2P5/pK2P1kP/1p6/1P6/8 w - - 0 1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can announce mate in won position.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh yes.. given all the moves, the Computer now can find a mate.
>>>>>>>No Computer can announce mate in 35 like the young lady.
>>>>>>>Sorry Uri, you lose this one hands down!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The point is that there is no proof for mate in 35 and the defender could get
>>>>>>>>mated in 36 moves by changing one of the moves in the condition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Uri
>>>>>>>       Sorry, the 'proof' is in the game.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The defender could defend better and chest that find the shortest mate found
>>>>>>longer mate after better move of the defender.
>>>>>
>>>>>In every game lost, the defender 'could' have played better or he would not have
>>>>>lost. Is that not true?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If chest say mate in 8 after 70.Kd5 and mate in 7 after 70.Kd7 then it means
>>>>>>that there is no mate in 7 after 70.Kd5 and it is obvious that her mate was one
>>>>>>move longer in case that the human opponent played 70.Kd5 and accepting the rest
>>>>>>of the condition.
>>>>>
>>>>> One move longer... yes, by a Computer.
>>>>>From the position, can you calculate and find a Mate in 35 moves?
>>>>>Without chest?
>>>>>I don't think so.
>>>>>Why can't you give credit where credit is due?
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It was not important for the opponent to contradict the condition because the
>>>>>>number of moves that he is losing was not important for him but she certainly
>>>>>>did not prove mate in 35.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The defender 'could' you say?
>>>>>>>Ahhh but he didn't did he?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I play against weak player then I can say mate in 70 in the opening position
>>>>>>with white and give him a condition that he cannot refute.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can of course 'say' Mate in 70 but of course you can't prove it.
>>>>>Right?
>>>>>A useless and irresponsible comment.
>>>>>So you say Mate in 70, the opponent blunders and you mate him in 17.
>>>>
>>>>Yes and this was similiar case to the case of  Mrs Gilbert.
>>>>
>>>>She said mate in 35 but she did not prove it and it could be only mate in 36 in
>>>>case that the opponent did not follow her line even if she played the best moves
>>>>after the opponent go out of her line.
>>>>
>>>>Uri
>>>  No, you miss the point again.
>>>She found a Mate in 35!
>>>You remind me of the story about Capablanca who once announced Mate in 16.
>>>He actually Mated the guy in 12.
>>>His opponent said.. "Haa Haa Senior Capa you said it was Mate in 16."
>>>Capa replied.. Well, I assumed you would play the best moves!
>>>You are nit-picking Uri Stop it!
>>
>>The equivalent case was in case capablanca mated in 17 moves and in this case
>>analysis proves that if you follow her line and change the move of the defender
>>in the right moment you get mate in 36 and not mate in 35.
>
>My mistake in the Posting.
>Black was to move!
>Does that change your opinion? Or anything?

No

I did not use your position to analyze and I already copied the game from the
site earlier.

Uri



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