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Subject: Re: Short doesn't know about Fruit ?

Author: Norm Pollock

Date: 07:48:49 10/12/05

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On October 12, 2005 at 04:17:07, Ryan B. wrote:

>On October 12, 2005 at 03:52:51, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On October 12, 2005 at 01:27:26, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On October 12, 2005 at 01:10:39, Martin Andersen2 wrote:
>>>
>>>>From Chessbase:
>>>>
>>>>" This afternoon I have been given the latest analytical aid, Fritz 9, which, it
>>>>is claimed, is around 100 Elo points stronger than the previous version. If
>>>>true, it is a giant leap for siliconkind"
>>>>
>>>>Of course if Fritz 9 is 100 Elo points stronger than Fritz 8, it should be at
>>>>2883 (SSDF), and probably better than Fruit. But how likely is this based
>>>>on preliminary tests ?
>>
>>Fruit2.1 is at the same level of Fritz8 bilbao
>>Most customers probably do not have Fritz8 bilbao and Fruit2.1 is probably
>>slightly better than Fritz8.
>>
>>Fruit2.2 is 50-100 elo better than Fruit2.1 so it make sense to think that
>>Fruit2.2 is 100 elo better than Fritz8
>>
>>Fritz9 is near the level of Fruit2.2 based on CEGT results so I see nothing
>>wrong with the claim.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Martin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2676
>>>
>>>Not surprising.  I guess that the Fruit advertizing budget is $0.00 and Fritz at
>>>least a few hundred thousand.
>>
>>When I told in the israeli chess forum that Fruit2.2 is 50-100 elo better than
>>Fruit2.1 then one of the response was that not a lot of people will pay 35$ for
>>the minor improvement from Fruit2.1 to Fruit2.2
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>I did not know 50-100 elo was minor.

Here is the table of rating values. Looking for closest value +/- 37.5 elo which
is equivalent to a 75 point elo improvement, we get 55%-45%. So a player with a
75 point elo advantage will score 55% against the other player.

Rating expectancies vs. differences P D P D P D
    .99 677     .66 117     .33 -125
    .98 589     .65 110     .32 -133
    .97 538     .64 102     .31 -141
    .96 501     .63 95     .30 -149
    .95 470     .62 87     .29 -158
    .94 444     .61 80     .28 -166
    .93 422     .60 72     .27 -175
    .92 401     .59 65     .26 -184
    .91 383     .58 57     .25 -193
    .90 366     .57 50     .24 -202
    .89 351     .56 43     .23 -211
    .88 335     .55 36     .22 -220
    .87 322     .54 29     .21 -230
    .86 309     .53 21     .20 -240
    .85 296     .52 14     .19 -251
    .84 284     .51 7     .18 -262
    .83 273     .50 0     .17 -273
    .82 262     .49 -7     .16 -284
    .81 251     .48 -14     .15 -296
    .80 240     .47 -21     .14 -309
    .79 230     .46 -29     .13 -322
    .78 220     .45 -36     .12 -335
    .77 211     .44 -43     .11 -351
    .76 202     .43 -50     .10 -366
    .75 193     .42 -57     .09 -383
    .74 184     .41 -65     .08 -401
    .73 175     .40 -72     .07 -422
    .72 166     .39 -80     .06 -444
    .71 158     .38 -87     .05 -470
    .70 149     .37 -95     .04 -501
    .69 141     .36 -102     .03 -538
    .68 133     .35 -110     .02 -589
    .67 125     .34 -117     .01 -677




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