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Subject: I Have Not Come Here to Bury Bob Hyatt

Author: Todd Durham

Date: 17:06:33 03/25/99


OK, people, Bob Hyatt has left rgcc. But he is still here at CCC. He is still on
the internet helping those with an honest desire to learn more about chess
programming. In fact, according to his own final post, Crafty is sill going to
be available to those with an interest, if not by ftp then through some other
manner. So let us stop treating this as though someone had just died tragically.

Instead, let's try to assess what damage has been done, and whether there is
anything that we as a group can do about it.

First, it would seem to me (and I confess I have only been involved in this for
roughly a month) that the worst damage is to people who aren't yet involved in
computer chess but who might gain an interest (as I did recently). At this
point, they may well check out the usenet group rgcc, which is the easiest place
to find for a discussion on the topic. I doubt many will last long at the rate
rgcc is losing its more interesting and helpful citizens. Thus, the increasingly
nasty tone at rgcc and the loss of Crafty as an easily available ftp download (a
free download and a stop at the local library got me started) will cause most to
lose interest in the subject before it can grow. (And I read today that Peter
Klausler is considering taking CDB off of the internet as well. So two of the
freeware mainstays may fall by the wayside.) These are the people most hurt by
the present situation. (And I don't just mean Hyatt leaving. It was before I
gained an interest in the subject, but apparently a LOT of valuable people had
fled rgcc before Hyatt left.) The rest of us know where to go:
http://www.icdchess.com/ccc/. But I doubt that many will find this site on there
own. The web is just too big.

The second big peice of damage, from what many have said in their postings, is
the matter of convenience, as many would raher use a newsgroup reader than a web
brouser. Of course, that only applies to those here.

The third hit is one of ettiquette and manners. Try going through rgcc without
looking at that posts of you_know_who AND ignoring all threads started by them
or replies to their posts and suddenly rgcc is a pleasant place to be. With
you_know_who it's quite stress inducing even if one isn't posting. And imagine
if the interesting people started to return!

One solution to this, and it is cerainly not new, is the creation of a moderated
usenet group. As someone new to all this, I have a few questions on the matter:

1) How would one go about doing this?
2) Who would be the moderators? How would they be choosen?
3) Would there be any cost?
4) Who would the moderators be responsible to?  (This is an important one!)
5) Are we just going to talk about it, or are we going to do something about it?

Of course, this still doesn't put Crafy back on an anonymous ftp site. But that
has more to do with copyright enforcement than anything else, if I understand
correctly. I have no solutions to this, although Hyatt appears to be working on
one.

Are there other solutions? Let's put our minds to work on this and see what we
can come up. And let's stop mourning the passing of Bob Hyatt because,
gratefully, he hasn't really gone anywhere. He's just switched to eight-track.

Hopefully,
Todd Durham



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