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Subject: Re: The Code for the Rybka-Mate-Bug

Author: Chrilly Donninger

Date: 11:25:00 12/13/05

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On December 13, 2005 at 13:47:58, enrico carrisco wrote:

>On December 13, 2005 at 12:27:31, Chrilly Donninger wrote:
>
>>On December 13, 2005 at 11:53:28, enrico carrisco wrote:
>>
>>>On December 13, 2005 at 09:38:12, Chrilly Donninger wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 13, 2005 at 09:22:03, Eduard Nemeth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Hello Chrilly,
>>>>>
>>>>>thanks for your serching. Nice.
>>>>>
>>>>>But please search in the code of Fritz 9, I seems Fritz 9 have now 1000 Bugs
>>>>>(not only 100) ! :-))
>>>>>
>>>>>Best,
>>>>>Eduard.
>>>>>
>>>>Who on earth is Fritz? Nobody would be interested if I would post a bug of this
>>>>noname programme. I was also not asked by the Hydra-sponsor about Fritz. He
>>>>wanted to know whats special about Rybka. So I have to find out. So far the only
>>>>special thing I found is the mate-bug.
>>>>Probably you are right: The secret of Rybka (and Fruit) is the low bugs/second
>>>>count. Thats a much more interesting figure than the Nodes/Sec.
>>>
>>>
>>>I find it odd that Rybka's PV and nps are short and nps seems to be manipulated
>>>-- either that or sometimes its eval time varies dramatically.
>>>
>>>Maybe it gets its PV from the hash and does not hash in the Q search?
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>-elc.
>>>
>>I do not know. Maybe the Rybka team can/want to answer this questions. Generally
>>I am the wrong person to answer Rybka-Inside questions.
>>
>>Chrilly
>
>Hello.
>
>It was more speculation than anything.  I highly doubt Vasik will be interested
>in discussing the particulars of why his nps appears to be manipulated, etc.
>
>I am, however, more curious than anything.  I have little doubt that his work is
>not genuine in its final form.  If I had to speculate further, I would say its
>origins probably have more in common with Crafty than anything else (e.g., base
>ideas from -- not clone of course.)  I think a lot of the .EXE size is made up
>from bitboards precomputed and pattern recognition bitboards for its knowledge.
>
>As we have all seen stated earlier, most programs have ideas from others in them
>and it's clear Rybka has some first class chess knowledge and that coupled with
>a good search has given it a possible first place among the micros.
>
>Regards,
>
>-elc.

There is the famous quote from Newton: I am dwarf standing on the shoulder on
giants. Its not possible and even not desirable to invent the whole wheel for
yourself. Making a somewhat rounder/better wheel is sufficient. In this broad
sense every programm would be a clone.
Rybka has Bitboards. But thats mentioned in the Readme File. So I am telling
here no big news. But I really want to avoid to say some real internals. First
of all I have not looked on all of Rybkas details. Would be much too much work
and also boring. I wanted just to have the big picture. And even if I would know
something important, I could/would not post it. This would be against the rules.

Chrilly



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