Author: Christopher R. Dorr
Date: 17:42:45 03/30/99
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On March 30, 1999 at 17:28:39, blass uri wrote: > >On March 30, 1999 at 15:58:56, Christopher R. Dorr wrote: > >>On March 30, 1999 at 13:47:54, blass uri wrote: >> >>> >>>On March 30, 1999 at 08:18:33, Christopher R. Dorr wrote: >>> >>>>On March 29, 1999 at 22:02:24, Andrew Dados wrote: > >>>I believe that humans do not do their homework in learning Crafty because it is >>>not important for them to win because there is no big money prize for winning. >>> >> >>But there's no big money for beating anything on IC, so this caveat should apply >>equally to all programs on there, no? > >I agree but it is more easy to learn Crafty because the evaluation function of >crafty is not a secret when the evaluation function of other programs is not >known and you can only guess it by playing. > >I believe that crafty is going to lose more rating relatively to other programs >if humans take the games against programs seriously. > > > > And how >>do we compare them? Computer-computer testing does not (IMHO) honestly reflect >>strength (necessarily) against humans. >> >>'Why doesn't Crafty win a match against on a single processor machine?' and 'Why >>doesn't Fritz win a match against Crafty on an SMP machine?' are flip sides to >>the same question. They are *both* different from 'What's the strongest machine >>out there?' > > >If the question is what is the strongest machine out there then commercial >should also use the best machine for them. > > >Do you have data about the rating of Fritz(or Junior) on PIII-450? > > >If Junior can use better machine than PII-333 at the same price of the SMP >machine of crafty then it is not fair to do comparison between 2930 of >Junior(Ban) and the 3000 of crafty. > >There are other non commercial(not free) programs that are candidates to be the >strongest machine out there. > >Uri Again, we come back to exactly what is the question? If the question is 'What is the strongest PC-based program out there?' then the answer may be one thing. What is the strongest program in the world? Unquestionable Deep Blue. Will you disqualify DB from being the strongest because it runs on a machine that cannot be afforded? Shall we say 'But if DB was running on a PII 450, then it would only be rated xxxx?' If we won't say that, then why should we say that, to judge Crafty, we should put it on hardware it is not optimized for. If we want to say 'What is the strongest PC program running on a commercially available single processor system?', then fine...it is an interesting and valuable question. But if the question is 'What is the strongest PC based program?' *period*, then a strong case must be made for Crafty running on a quad. There was a person on ICC this afternoon, saying he had a Quad Xeon overclocked (to 600+ Mhz), and was hitting NPS's in the neighborhood of 2,000,000 (2 million NPS) with Crafty 16.6. If this is the case, I'll take this Crafty vs. *any* PC program running on anything. I think, perhaps, we may be looking at this question differently. Chris
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