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Subject: Re: Polyglot

Author: Anton Worsman

Date: 02:51:04 01/03/06

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On January 02, 2006 at 18:27:44, David Dahlem wrote:

>On January 02, 2006 at 18:01:55, Günther Simon wrote:
>
>>On January 02, 2006 at 17:10:02, David Dahlem wrote:
>>
>>>On January 02, 2006 at 11:34:04, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>
>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 11:26:01, David Dahlem wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 11:07:34, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 11:00:26, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 10:27:27, Günther Simon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 10:01:23, phili_ppe wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On January 02, 2006 at 02:32:23, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hi Aloisio
>>>>>>>>>>I have not idea but do not understand why
>>>>>>>>>>you should want to use Polyglot/Winboard.
>>>>>>>>>>Try the fine and free Arena-GUI available at
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.playwitharena.com/ which is the
>>>>>>>>>>best GUI for UCI-/Winboard engines in my
>>>>>>>>>>opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>Best regards
>>>>>>>>>>Kurt
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hello
>>>>>>>>>I use Polyglot for UCI engines for Toga & Rybka but I have noticed the nodes per
>>>>>>>>>seconds and the search depth  decrease dramaticly with a UCI2WB adaptator.
>>>>>>>>>Engine -> Polyglot -> Winboard -> Polyglot ->engine
>>>>>>>>>All these ways weaken too much the uci engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's wrong. You probably just mean the _display_ in WB which _seems_
>>>>>>>>to be decreased (because of a lot of output from UCI engines for the
>>>>>>>>first 4 plies). If you look into the debug files you will see that
>>>>>>>>your assumption was wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Guenther
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Hi Guenther
>>>>>>>      I have never used Polyglot and am sure you know
>>>>>>>      things very well. The main question remains: why
>>>>>>>      should anybody use an an adapter for a UCI engine
>>>>>>>      instead of avoiding this by working with Arena GUI?
>>>>>>>      Best regards
>>>>>>>      Kurt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...because WB is by far the stablest and most reliable GUI,
>>>>>>which also uses the least ressources and has the best additional tools :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best regards,
>>>>>>Guenther
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, WB is not reliable for UCI engines, in fact, needs an adapter simply to
>>>>>run UCI engines. :-)
>>>>
>>>>Even for UCI engines my above message applies ;-)
>>>
>>>Judging by the number of threads here asking how to run UCI engines in WB using
>>>polyglot, in my mind that reliability is in question. :-)
>>
>>It's more about the reliability of the users as usual ;-)
>>Not knowing how to do something is completely irrelevant
>>for the matter of Polyglots reliability, but you sure know this.
>>May be you forgot about the zillions of threads here, when people
>>posted games in whatever GUIs, which were simply flawed by user setups.
>>However, if you don't like WB for whatever reason no one forces you to
>>use it, but talking bad about something you don't know is simply weird.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Guenther
>
>Your points all all well taken, but ... an unreliable user will have problems
>with any interface. A reliable user who can manage to use polyglot with WB will
>have an easy time using an interface that doesn't require polyglot.
>
>Regards
>Dave

I agree with Guenther here

As a Linux user, I am running Rybka via wine, polyglot, and winboard, without
any problems. Winboard is very stable, and is easy on resources, Arena on the
other-hand is resource hungry, and is still rather unstable.(important on my sub
1000mhz computer, computer donations welcome :) )

I would argue that winboard must be a great program if users are prepared to set
up various add-ons(polyglot, tourney managers etc) rather than use a program
where all the add-ons are ready to use out of the box.

regards
aw.



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