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Subject: Re: The superior Rybka chess knowledge (With Corrections)

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 05:40:30 01/19/06

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On January 19, 2006 at 08:35:23, Uri Blass wrote:

>On January 19, 2006 at 08:27:30, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>On January 19, 2006 at 03:00:07, Ernst Walet wrote:
>>>On January 19, 2006 at 02:38:50, Tony Thomas Karippa wrote:
>>>>On January 18, 2006 at 16:36:09, Rolf Tueschen wrote:
>>>>>On January 18, 2006 at 16:30:58, Tony Thomas Karippa wrote:
>>>>>>Most people would agree with me if I say you are the one that's wrong.
>>>>>Yes, but they will also remember the voices from Paderborn which said "No, we
>>>>>wont bust Rybka in the late endgames, we dont want to be unfair." Was that
>>>>>promotion in Paderborn or sports? (Socrates speaking...)
>>>>Who said that? Chilly pepper? Or Zappa?
>>>I have stated, as operator of Rybka, that:
>>>1 Rybka was never challenged this way (if applicable).
>>>2 There was a very pleasant atmosphere.
>>>3 I nevertheless would have no problem if someone had tried it.
>>>My conclusion was that it was considered sportmanship not to push Rybka to this
>>>point. RT has difficulties with that.
>>Ernst, no, sorry,
>>I had not then and I have not now a problem with your attitude, let me be not
>>misunderstood. I see a problem in what other people made out of the Rybka win in
>>Paderborn, in the line, as if Rybka would be the proven, unanimous, clear,
>>single, brilliant and all-time best program of the World. All I say is that this
>>shouldnt be said on the base of Paderborn for the given reasons and on the base
>>of the now existing data. No matter if Rybka wins test games after testgames,
>>Rybka is in my eyes
>>a) not even a completed engine, it is still in making, it's in a socalled
>>rudimentary state, its strength has by no way been proven by any single test
>>result; simply because all test results are still NOT significant; and we all
>>know from experience that the real test for Rybka will come the moment when
>>other programmers have begun to tune on Rybka itself, while today Rybka is tuned
>>on everybody else;
>I think that you are clearly wrong here.
>It may be possible to tune a program against another program but not against all
> of course then the actual reports must be re-written; you can
>>all see what will happen or what is possible in Hiarcs with these extra settings
>>from Czub; only then we will know what Rybka can really do - and we certainly do
>>hope that not the same thing will happen with Rybka what happened with Ruffian
>>which once also was a new shooting star, then went xommercial and thereafter
>>never was een again... (included its programmer BTW - on that background it must
>>at least be allowed to remain somewhat friendly, sympathetically reserved, no?!)
>Ruffian is clearly a different case that is not relevant here.
>Ruffian was never clearly the best engine even when it came commercial.

Can I record live from you, Uri, that on Jan 19th, Rybka is the best
chessengine? Would you say such a thing?

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