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Subject: Re: Interesting position -- proof of superiority?

Author: Hans Havermann

Date: 11:31:56 04/06/99

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On April 05, 1999 at 20:30:22, Dann Corbit wrote:

>>After some 30 billion nodes, here is MacChess' winning line for white (after
>>1.Re1 fxg4) at the same depth:

>> 2. Rxe6 gxh3
>> 3. Rg6 Qxd4
>> 4. Rxd6 h2+
>> 5. Kh1 Qxf2
>> 6. Bxh6 Qxb2
>> 7. Bxg7+ Qxg7
>> 8. Rf1+ Ke7
>> 9. Qxg7+ Kxd6
>>10. Qg6+ Kc5
>>11. Kxh2

>What is the centipawn eval at that point?

r1r2k2/1p4pQ/1n1bp2p/p2n1p2/P2P2Nq/1B5P/1P3PP1/R1B1R1K1 b - -, depth 15

MacChess' eval *number* at that level is -82: obviously *not* centipawns. To put
that number into some context, here (again) is MacChess' analysis of the
previous position in this study:

r1r2k2/1p4pQ/1n1bp2p/p2n1p2/P2P2Nq/1B5P/1P3PP1/R1BR2K1 w - -

07/01|00:00:05|     1192024|   +3 | Ne3 Qf6 Bd2 Nf4 Kf1 Bc7 Bc3
08/01|00:00:17|     3571273|   -3 | Ne3 Qf6 Nxd5 Nxd5 Bxd5 exd5 Bd2 b6 Rdc1 Bc7
09/01|00:00:55|    11100158|   -4 | Ne3 Qf6 Ra2 Ke7 Nxd5+ Nxd5 Bxd5 exd5 Re1+
Kd7 Be3 b6
09/22|00:01:57|    27029401|  +27 | Nxh6 gxh6 Bxh6+ Ke8 Qg6+ Kd7 Bg5 Qe4 Re1
Qxd4 Qxe6+ Kc6 Qxf5 Qxb2
10/01|00:03:18|    51062439|  +99 | Nxh6 Qf6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Qg8+ Ke7 Nxf5+ Qxf5 Qxg7+
Qf7 Bg5+ Ke8 Qxf7+ Kxf7 g4 Be7 Bxe7 Kxe7
11/01|00:06:39|   101499073|  +99 | Nxh6 Qf6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Qg8+ Ke7 Nxf5+ Qxf5 Qxg7+
Qf7 Bg5+ Ke8 Qxf7+ Kxf7 g4 Bf4 Bxf4 Nxf4 Ra3
12/01|00:13:45|   220445858|  +96 | Nxh6 Qf6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Qg8+ Ke7 Nxf5+ Qxf5 Qxg7+
Qf7 Bg5+ Ke8 Qxf7+ Kxf7 g4 Bf4 Bxf4 Nxf4 Kh2 b6
13/01|00:38:17|   632391553|  +98 | Nxh6 Qf6 Bxd5 Nxd5 Qg8+ Ke7 Nxf5+ Qxf5 Qxg7+
Qf7 Bg5+ Ke8 Qxf7+ Kxf7 g4 Bf4 Bxf4 Nxf4 Ra3 Ne2+ Kf1 Nf4

As Will Singleton pointed out, MacChess probably "over-values it's king-side
pawns" to give white the +high-90's for Nxh6. Also, with Re1 doing no better
than +82 (at a much deeper level), we see why MacChess prefers Nxh6 to Re1. I'd
be interested to know how *your* chess programs evaluate Nxh6.



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