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Subject: Re: What are the moves of the loss of fruit against hiarcs?

Author: Paulo Cesar Soares

Date: 22:23:45 02/26/06

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But... Returned to c3=)


New game
r4rk1/1b4pp/p2P4/4np2/Ppp4q/4B2P/1PBQ2P1/R4RK1 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Rybka 1.01 Beta 13d 32-bit:

1...Bb7-e4
  =  (0.20)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Ne5-d3
  =  (0.08)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
1...Ne5-d3
  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
1...Ne5-d3 2.Bc2xd3
  =  (0.08)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
1...Ne5-d3 2.Bc2xd3 c4xd3 3.Qd2xd3 Qh4-g3
  ²  (0.42)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  15kN
1...Bb7-e4 2.Be3-f2 Qh4-h6
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  20kN
1...Bb7-e4 2.Be3-f2 Qh4-h6 3.Bf2-e3
  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7   00:00:01  32kN
1...Bb7-e4 2.Be3-g5 c4-c3 3.Bg5xh4 c3xd2 4.Bc2-b3+ Kg8-h8
  ±  (0.71)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  69kN
1...Ne5-d3 2.Bc2xd3 c4xd3 3.Qd2xd3 Qh4-g3 4.Rf1-f2 Ra8-d8
  ²  (0.57)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  97kN
1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2xc3 Qh4-g3 4.Bc2-b3+ Kg8-h8 5.Ra1-a2
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 8   00:00:03  124kN
1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2xc3 Qh4-g3 4.Bc2-b3+ Kg8-h8 5.Ra1-a2 Ra8-c8
  =  (0.03)   Depth: 9   00:00:06  212kN
1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2xc3 Qh4-g3 4.Bc2-b3+ Kg8-h8 5.Ra1-a2 Ra8-b8
6.Ra2-f2
  =  (0.13)   Depth: 10   00:00:11  402kN
1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2-e1 Qh4xe1 4.Rf1xe1 Bb7-e4 5.Be3-d4 Ne5-f7 6.Bc2xe4
  =  (0.19)   Depth: 11   00:00:26  955kN
1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2-e1 Qh4xe1 4.Rf1xe1 Bb7-e4 5.Be3-d4 Be4xc2 6.Bd4xe5
Ra8-c8
  ²  (0.39)   Depth: 12   00:00:52  1957kN
1...f5-f4 2.Rf1xf4 Qh4-g3 3.Qd2-f2 Ne5-f3+ 4.Kg1-f1 Qg3xf2+ 5.Kf1xf2 Nf3-d4
6.Ra1-c1 Bb7-d5 7.Bc2-d1
  ²  (0.29)   Depth: 12   00:01:08  2653kN
1...f5-f4 2.Rf1xf4 Qh4-g3 3.Qd2-f2 Ne5-f3+ 4.Kg1-f1 Qg3xf2+ 5.Kf1xf2 Nf3-d4
6.Ra1-c1 Rf8xf4+ 7.Be3xf4 Ra8-f8 8.Kf2-e3
  ²  (0.30)   Depth: 13   00:01:59  4594kN
1...f5-f4 2.Rf1xf4 Qh4-g3 3.Qd2-f2 Ne5-f3+ 4.Kg1-f1 Qg3xf2+ 5.Kf1xf2 Nf3-d4
6.Ra1-c1 Rf8xf4+ 7.Be3xf4 Ra8-f8 8.Kf2-e3
  ²  (0.29)   Depth: 14   00:03:42  8462kN
1...f5-f4 2.Rf1xf4 Qh4-g3 3.Qd2-f2 Ne5-f3+ 4.Kg1-f1 Qg3xf2+ 5.Kf1xf2 Nf3-d4
6.Ra1-c1 Rf8xf4+ 7.Be3xf4 Ra8-f8 8.Kf2-e3
  =  (0.11)   Depth: 15   00:07:55  17582kN
1...f5-f4 2.Rf1xf4 Qh4-g3 3.Qd2-f2 Ne5-f3+ 4.Kg1-f1 Qg3xf2+ 5.Kf1xf2 Nf3-d4
6.Ra1-c1 Rf8xf4+ 7.Be3xf4 Ra8-f8 8.Kf2-e3
  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 16   00:13:13  29956kN
1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2-e1 Qh4xe1 4.Rf1xe1 Bb7-e4 5.Be3-d4 Ne5-f7 6.Bc2xe4
  =  (0.22)   Depth: 16   00:18:46  41996kN

(Soares, Cabo Frio 27.02.2006)


On February 27, 2006 at 01:07:30, Paulo Cesar Soares wrote:

>On February 27, 2006 at 00:09:24, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On February 26, 2006 at 23:57:28, Uri Blass wrote:
>>
>>>On February 26, 2006 at 23:50:57, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>
>>>>On February 26, 2006 at 23:16:54, Uri Blass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In the pgn of CCT I find no moves.
>>>>>
>>>>>Note that I read that fruit lost against zappa by that way but I did not read
>>>>>about something strange in the game fruit-hiarcs in this forum.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also see no moves in zappa-fruit and I guess it cannot be correct because
>>>>>zappa did play first move as white.
>>>>
>>>>Fruit also lost by forfeit to Hiarcs.
>>>>
>>>>[Event "ICC 50 3 u"]
>>>>[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
>>>>[Date "2006.02.26"]
>>>>[Round "-"]
>>>>[White "FruitCCT8"]
>>>>[Black "Hiarcs8x"]
>>>>[Result "0-1"]
>>>>[ICCResult "Game set by TD"]
>>>>[WhiteElo "2000"]
>>>>[BlackElo "2812"]
>>>>[Opening "QGD: Tartakower (Makagonov-Bondarevsky) system"]
>>>>[ECO "D58"]
>>>>[NIC "QO.10"]
>>>>[Time "11:00:37"]
>>>>[TimeControl "3000+3"]
>>>>
>>>>1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 Be7 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 O-O 7. e3 b6 8. Be2
>>>>Bb7 9. Rc1 Nbd7 10. cxd5 exd5 11. O-O c5 12. Qa4 a6 13. dxc5 bxc5 14. Rfd1
>>>>Bd6 15. Nxd5 Bxd5 {Game set by TD} 0-1
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>I wonder what is the reason in that time.
>>>I guess it was again some external factor and not bug in the engine.
>>>
>>>It seems that fruit lost only one game not by some external factors like
>>>interface and it was against spike when it was very unlucky
>>>
>>>As you can see even rybka see nothing here but it seems that black is in serious
>>>trouble here based on analysis.
>>>
>>>Spike - Fruit, ICC 50 3 u Internet Chess Club 2006
>>>[D]r4rk1/1b4pp/p2P4/4np2/Ppp4q/4B2P/1PBQ2P1/R4RK1 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Analysis by Rybka 1.01 Beta 13d 32-bit:
>>>
>>>25...Be4
>>>  =  (0.20)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>>>25...Nd3
>>>  =  (0.08)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>>>25...Nd3
>>>  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>>>25...Nd3 26.Bxd3
>>>  =  (0.08)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
>>>25...Nd3 26.Bxd3 cxd3 27.Qxd3 Qg3
>>>  ²  (0.42)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  16kN
>>>25...Be4 26.Bf2 Qh6
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  20kN
>>>25...Be4 26.Bf2 Qh6 27.Be3
>>>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7   00:00:00  33kN
>>>25...Be4 26.Bg5 c3 27.Bxh4 cxd2 28.Bb3+ Kh8
>>>  ±  (0.71)   Depth: 8   00:00:01  70kN
>>>25...Nd3 26.Bxd3 cxd3 27.Qxd3 Qg3 28.Rf2 Rad8
>>>  ²  (0.57)   Depth: 8   00:00:01  97kN
>>>25...c3 26.bxc3 bxc3 27.Qxc3 Qg3 28.Bb3+ Kh8 29.Ra2
>>>  =  (0.03)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  125kN
>>>25...c3 26.bxc3 bxc3 27.Qxc3 Qg3 28.Bb3+ Kh8 29.Ra2 Rac8
>>>  =  (0.03)   Depth: 9   00:00:04  212kN
>>>25...c3 26.bxc3 bxc3 27.Qxc3 Qg3 28.Bb3+ Kh8 29.Ra2 Rab8 30.Raf2
>>>  =  (0.13)   Depth: 10   00:00:07  402kN
>>>25...c3 26.bxc3 bxc3 27.Qe1 Qxe1 28.Rfxe1 Be4 29.Bd4 Nf7 30.Bxe4
>>>  =  (0.19)   Depth: 11   00:00:17  956kN
>>>25...c3 26.bxc3 bxc3 27.Qe1 Qxe1 28.Rfxe1 Be4 29.Bd4 Bxc2 30.Bxe5 Rac8
>>>  ²  (0.39)   Depth: 12   00:00:35  1957kN
>>>25...c3 26.bxc3 bxc3 27.Qe1 Qxe1 28.Rfxe1 Be4 29.Bd4 Bxc2 30.Bxe5 Rac8 31.Rec1
>>>  =  (0.20)   Depth: 13   00:01:36  5297kN
>>>25...c3 26.bxc3 bxc3 27.Qe1 Qxe1 28.Rfxe1 Be4 29.Bd4 Bxc2 30.Bxe5 Rac8 31.Rec1
>>>Be4
>>>  ²  (0.34)   Depth: 14   00:02:33  8696kN
>>>25...c3 26.bxc3 bxc3 27.Qe1 Qxe1 28.Rfxe1 Be4 29.Bd4 Nf7 30.Bxe4 fxe4 31.d7 Rfd8
>>>32.Rxe4
>>>  =  (0.21)   Depth: 15   00:07:21  24492kN
>>>25...c3 26.bxc3 bxc3 27.Qe1 Qxe1 28.Rfxe1 Be4 29.Bd4 Nf7 30.Bxe4 fxe4 31.d7 Rfd8
>>>32.Rxe4
>>>  =  (0.21)   Depth: 16   00:12:17  40710kN
>>>
>>>(,  27.02.2006)
>>
>>I mean  that after 25...c3 black has serious problems.
>>Maybe black has good alternative to 25...c3 and I did not check it but every
>>alternative later is evaluated by rybka as significant advantage for white so it
>>is possible that the losing mistake is very deep to find.
>>
>>Maybe 27...Qf6 is an improvement but I am not sure about it.
>>
>>
>>
>>Uri
>
>It seems to me a hard position to analyse.
>Rybka changes the maynline:
>
>
>New game [D] r4rk1/1b4pp/p2P4/4np2/Ppp4q/4B2P/1PBQ2P1/R4RK1 b - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Rybka 1.01 Beta 13d 32-bit:
>
>1...Bb7-e4
>  =  (0.20)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>1...Ne5-d3
>  =  (0.08)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>1...Ne5-d3
>  ²  (0.26)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>1...Ne5-d3 2.Bc2xd3
>  =  (0.08)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
>1...Ne5-d3 2.Bc2xd3 c4xd3 3.Qd2xd3 Qh4-g3
>  ²  (0.42)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  15kN
>1...Bb7-e4 2.Be3-f2 Qh4-h6
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 6   00:00:00  20kN
>1...Bb7-e4 2.Be3-f2 Qh4-h6 3.Bf2-e3
>  =  (0.00)   Depth: 7   00:00:01  32kN
>1...Bb7-e4 2.Be3-g5 c4-c3 3.Bg5xh4 c3xd2 4.Bc2-b3+ Kg8-h8
>  ±  (0.71)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  69kN
>1...Ne5-d3 2.Bc2xd3 c4xd3 3.Qd2xd3 Qh4-g3 4.Rf1-f2 Ra8-d8
>  ²  (0.57)   Depth: 8   00:00:02  97kN
>1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2xc3 Qh4-g3 4.Bc2-b3+ Kg8-h8 5.Ra1-a2
>  =  (0.03)   Depth: 8   00:00:03  124kN
>1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2xc3 Qh4-g3 4.Bc2-b3+ Kg8-h8 5.Ra1-a2 Ra8-c8
>  =  (0.03)   Depth: 9   00:00:06  212kN
>1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2xc3 Qh4-g3 4.Bc2-b3+ Kg8-h8 5.Ra1-a2 Ra8-b8
>6.Ra2-f2
>  =  (0.13)   Depth: 10   00:00:11  402kN
>1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2-e1 Qh4xe1 4.Rf1xe1 Bb7-e4 5.Be3-d4 Ne5-f7 6.Bc2xe4
>  =  (0.19)   Depth: 11   00:00:26  955kN
>1...c4-c3 2.b2xc3 b4xc3 3.Qd2-e1 Qh4xe1 4.Rf1xe1 Bb7-e4 5.Be3-d4 Be4xc2 6.Bd4xe5
>Ra8-c8
>  ²  (0.39)   Depth: 12   00:00:52  1957kN
>1...f5-f4 2.Rf1xf4 Qh4-g3 3.Qd2-f2 Ne5-f3+ 4.Kg1-f1 Qg3xf2+ 5.Kf1xf2 Nf3-d4
>6.Ra1-c1 Bb7-d5 7.Bc2-d1
>  ²  (0.29)   Depth: 12   00:01:08  2653kN
>1...f5-f4 2.Rf1xf4 Qh4-g3 3.Qd2-f2 Ne5-f3+ 4.Kg1-f1 Qg3xf2+ 5.Kf1xf2 Nf3-d4
>6.Ra1-c1 Rf8xf4+ 7.Be3xf4 Ra8-f8 8.Kf2-e3
>  ²  (0.30)   Depth: 13   00:01:59  4594kN
>1...f5-f4 2.Rf1xf4 Qh4-g3 3.Qd2-f2 Ne5-f3+ 4.Kg1-f1 Qg3xf2+ 5.Kf1xf2 Nf3-d4
>6.Ra1-c1 Rf8xf4+ 7.Be3xf4 Ra8-f8 8.Kf2-e3
>  ²  (0.29)   Depth: 14   00:03:42  8462kN
>
>(Soares, Cabo Frio 27.02.2006)



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