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Subject: Re: a request

Author: Todd Durham

Date: 16:14:37 05/06/99

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On May 06, 1999 at 18:00:28, jonathon smith wrote:

>On May 06, 1999 at 17:53:17, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>
>>
>>On May 06, 1999 at 17:18:47, jonathon smith wrote:
>>
>>>On May 06, 1999 at 17:12:18, Bruce Moreland wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>On May 06, 1999 at 15:41:11, Greg Lazarou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Yeap,
>>>>>
>>>>>a) Somebody puts up a thread on starting a campaign to get Bob back here - great
>>>>>idea I think!
>>>>>b) A "moderator" takes upon himself to explain how he will not "beg" for Bob to
>>>>>come back and provides other excuses and justifications for past actions.
>>>>>c) Bob comes back to explain his position and gets further attacked by the
>>>>>"moderator"
>>>>>d) Another moderator jumps in and erases the whole thread and any subsequent
>>>>>mention to it
>>>>>e) I'm sure the next step is to erase this whole thread too
>>>>>
>>>>>Great "job" guys!!! With Bob and Ed leaving this is not going to be the same...
>>>>>I'd think the moderator's job would have been to beg these types of people to
>>>>>not give up on this place.
>>>>>
>>>>>Greg
>>>>
>>>>They may start erasing entire people soon.
>>>>
>>>>bruce
>>>
>>>You guys started the 'erasing'.
>>>
>>>Chris Whittington
>>
>>I don't feel at all bad about any of the cases where I asked for a post to be
>>deleted, or asked for a member to be banned.  I did the best I could with that
>>job and I don't have anything to be embarassed about.
>>
>>This place is not anarchic, it's something that is built into its charter, and
>>that's fine with me.
>>
>>The situation now is nuts.  What has happened, I believe, is that since this
>>current group was elected, Steve added a feature that allows any moderator to
>>delete any post.
>>
>>Previously we had to ask Steve, which inconvenienced him, or inconvenienced Tim,
>>or both.  There were periods, like at night, where we could do nothing, because
>>nobody was awake to do the deleting.
>>
>>This was inconvenient, stressful, and slow, but it also served as a built-in
>>check.  You couldn't just delete something and fail to tell anyone.  At least
>>one other person knew about it, and since there is no sensible reason not to CC
>>the other moderators, typically we all knew about it, and if there was a
>>problem, someone could say something.
>>
>>The situation now is simply ghastly.  It's the difference between being handled
>>according to a system with at least some checks built into it, and being dragged
>>off to the gulag at three in the morning.
>>
>>bruce
>>
>>PS: The first guy to be banned here was banned at your insistence, so I don't
>>know what you mean by "you guys".
>
>Right.
>
>Except I changed my mind, and told you it would continue with eating its own
>children. As all revolutions always do. The revolutionaries lack wisdom. They're
>always too young and inexperienced.
>
>You got credit for baling out earlier, and Matthias for baling out at the very
>start.
>
>One by one everybody pulled out, or got pushed.
>
>Finito.

I'm relatively new here and have no idea who was banned earlier (or rather, I
don't know who all of the people who are banned are) or why, but at least some
of the people who were 'banned' seem to keep popping up. Apparently with
'cyber-death' comes cyber-resurrection.'

Todd Durham



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