Author: Will Singleton
Date: 10:13:09 06/08/99
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On June 08, 1999 at 11:21:36, KarinsDad wrote: >On June 08, 1999 at 09:51:09, Steven Schwartz wrote: > >>Nominees... How about this one? >>If a member's message is deleted and the member chooses to >>defend his position on the CCC Message Board, should he be >>permitted to? And if so, to what extent? >>- Steve (ICD/Your Move) > >I think it is fine to defend a position here. > >However, you first have to have something to defend. > >Just because a post is deleted does not mean that you have something to defend. > >The basic idea of moderation for an inappropriate post is to delete it and send >an Email explaining the basic reasons to the appropriate party(ies). If someone >gets a message deleted and thinks that it is unfair, the FIRST thing they should >do is Email Steve and the moderators asking for more detail and/or explaining >why they thought deletion was appropriate. If a mistake was made, it can then be >corrected WITHOUT a major thread on it. > >However, if no mistake was made, then the moderators can respond back that they >feel no mistake was made, etc. > >At this point, if the member still feels that his message was deleted >inappropriately, then he can post a message to the board. However, the problem >that usually occurs here is that a member will say "Moderator x deleted my post >unfairly and then sent me this mean Email about it ...". I understand if a >member is frustrated, but starting off a message in this vein is also >inappropriate. The LAST thing you want to do as a member is post controversial >messages concerning the deletion of a post. The moderators try to be fair, but >when people rant and rave aggressively and point fingers at the moderators, they >are setting themselves up for another deletion. So you're saying that you think it's ok to post a message questioning the decision to delete a msg, if that message is phrased correctly. If that's your position, I wish you good luck with it. Perhaps you could give an example of an inappropriate post, along with an acceptable follow-up questioning it's deletion. > >Now, some troublemakers WANT to have a second and third post deleted JUST in >order to be able to proclaim how unfairly the moderators are being. This is just >being a nuisance and such a person should be given a warning to shape up or they >will be shipped out. I think that everyone has a right to express their opinion, >however, they do not always have a right to express their opinion in whatever >manner they wish. > >Examples of poor expression are: > >"My post got deleted, so I quit CCC.". Come on, grow up. If you wish to not post >here due to a conflict, then do not post here. Do not post that you will no >longer be posting here. This is an intentional troll. > >"My post got deleted and I cannot believe the Email I got from the moderator >over it.". The contents of an Email between a moderator and a member should NOT >usually be up for discussion. If the moderator goes WAY overboard with an Email, >forward a copy of it to Steve. He can decide impartially whether he should talk >to the moderator over it. Just because a member thinks that an Email is >overboard does not mean that any other reasonable person will think that and we >do not need a controversial thread here on it. > >"My post got deleted and it had nothing wrong with it. The previous poster was >the culprit.". Sometimes threads get deleted. Just because a given message is >non-contentious does not mean that the entire thread isn't way out in left >field. If an entire thread or an entire branch of a thread gets deleted, DO NOT >make a big deal over it. Chances are that you were responding to the >inappropriateness of the thread anyway, so let it go. > >I have no problem with people disagreeing with a deletion on the message board, >but pick your fights wisely. If you are cursing up a blue streak in the message, >DO NOT post a message on how unfairly you were treated just because you were >responding to someone else who mildly cursed at you. > >The more ALL of us try to resolve these conflicts off of the message board, the >more ALL of us can read more posts on computer chess related topics. > >KarinsDad :) Sounds pretty reasonable, on the whole. Here's a hypothetical for you. Let's say a member becomes angry over his deleted post, and re-posts the message, along with some commentary about how he can't understand why the post was deleted, here everyone, look at it. Or, someone takes it upon himself to re-post the messages of other members that were deleted. And, say further that this person is well-known and has some standing in the chess community. Hypothetically speaking. What do you do? Will
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