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Subject: Re: Hiarcs7.32 DISGRACED Fritz5.32 in 20 games under tournaments controls!

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 12:23:19 06/27/99

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On June 27, 1999 at 15:11:30, Mark Young wrote:

>On June 27, 1999 at 14:33:28, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 27, 1999 at 06:22:36, Terry Ripple wrote:
>>
>>>On June 27, 1999 at 06:08:25, Brett Clark wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 27, 1999 at 01:42:40, Tania Devora wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi guys, I have finsihed my first twenty games between the super strong
>>>>>Hiarcs7.32 and Fritz5.32 under tournaments controls, ( 2 hours and a half for 40
>>>>>moves, 1 hour for 20 moves, and all the moves for 30 minutes) .
>>>>>
>>>>>Fritz5.32 disapointed me totally, look the games, they all have good openings,
>>>>>and more than once Fritz lost in winning positions. Look carefuly at the games.
>>>>>
>>>>>Please look carefuly the game number 20, is one of the most beautiful game than
>>>>>i ever seen. Remember me the great JOSE RAUL CAPABLANCA.
>>>>>
>>>>>The results dont lie, Hiarcs7.32 is superior. My machine is k6-2 333 mhz with
>>>>>128 ram, 44 mb for each one. 150 minutes for 40 moves.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It should come as no surprise that Hiarcs would win most of the games in these
>>>>engine vs. engine matches.  First of all, at tournament time controls on your
>>>>machine, Fritz 5.32 would require 120 MB of RAM to function at full strength.
>>>>Moreover, Hiarcs retains its hash tables between moves in the engine vs. engine
>>>>matches, whereas Fritz starts from scratch on every move.  This in essence gives
>>>>Hiarcs the equivalent of "pondering".
>>>>
>>>>I've noticed that in matches played on separate machines, these programs appear
>>>>to be fairly even, but only time will tell.
>>>------
>>>Hi Brett,
>>>   Is there a way to get around this "Pondering" idea other than to have to play
>>>matches with two seperate CPU`S?
>>>-----
>>>Terry
>>
>>
>>Nope.  And even the fact that you disable pondering on both programs doesn't
>>make this a fair contest, because one program might do things while pondering
>>that it doesn't do otherwise.  Or it might screw up time allocation.  Or
>>whatever..
>>
>>It's pretty pointless to use one machine and then post results here...
>
>
>I would agree, but having played on two machines, and one machine, with
>autoplayer and by hand. I get the same results in regard to each other with an
>acceptable +/- for the amount of games I may have played. If there is a program
>that plays only killer chess on just one computer inside chessbase I have not
>seen it. I doubt if Hiarcs 7.32 is like this, having tested Hiarcs 7.01 on two
>computers. My results with Hiarcs 7.32 and Junior 5 after just 20 games are not
>that much out of line with what SSDF got playing on two computers with Hiarcs
>7.01 and Junior 5. A big win for Hiarcs in both cases, but SSDF results with two
>computers and 40 games was a bit bigger I think.
>
>I do agree playing two windows chess programs on one computer can be very bad
>and pointless. In this case I alway use two computers.
>
>I am always open to data, can you give me an example that will show this in
>programs running in chessbase from one computer vs two computes results.


Crafty doesn't work well with ponder=off.  An older version of Rebel would
really screw up as it only did its time calculation while in ponder mode..  Ed
and I ran into several such problems when we did that single "NPS game" a
year or two ago...

In any case it definitely screws my time allocation up.  And I'll bet other
programs play weaker than normal because none of us do a lot of testing with
no pondering, to make sure everything is working well.  I don't test that way
because I never play games that way...



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