Author: Mark Young
Date: 12:29:07 06/27/99
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On June 27, 1999 at 15:23:19, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On June 27, 1999 at 15:11:30, Mark Young wrote: > >>On June 27, 1999 at 14:33:28, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On June 27, 1999 at 06:22:36, Terry Ripple wrote: >>> >>>>On June 27, 1999 at 06:08:25, Brett Clark wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 27, 1999 at 01:42:40, Tania Devora wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi guys, I have finsihed my first twenty games between the super strong >>>>>>Hiarcs7.32 and Fritz5.32 under tournaments controls, ( 2 hours and a half for 40 >>>>>>moves, 1 hour for 20 moves, and all the moves for 30 minutes) . >>>>>> >>>>>>Fritz5.32 disapointed me totally, look the games, they all have good openings, >>>>>>and more than once Fritz lost in winning positions. Look carefuly at the games. >>>>>> >>>>>>Please look carefuly the game number 20, is one of the most beautiful game than >>>>>>i ever seen. Remember me the great JOSE RAUL CAPABLANCA. >>>>>> >>>>>>The results dont lie, Hiarcs7.32 is superior. My machine is k6-2 333 mhz with >>>>>>128 ram, 44 mb for each one. 150 minutes for 40 moves. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>It should come as no surprise that Hiarcs would win most of the games in these >>>>>engine vs. engine matches. First of all, at tournament time controls on your >>>>>machine, Fritz 5.32 would require 120 MB of RAM to function at full strength. >>>>>Moreover, Hiarcs retains its hash tables between moves in the engine vs. engine >>>>>matches, whereas Fritz starts from scratch on every move. This in essence gives >>>>>Hiarcs the equivalent of "pondering". >>>>> >>>>>I've noticed that in matches played on separate machines, these programs appear >>>>>to be fairly even, but only time will tell. >>>>------ >>>>Hi Brett, >>>> Is there a way to get around this "Pondering" idea other than to have to play >>>>matches with two seperate CPU`S? >>>>----- >>>>Terry >>> >>> >>>Nope. And even the fact that you disable pondering on both programs doesn't >>>make this a fair contest, because one program might do things while pondering >>>that it doesn't do otherwise. Or it might screw up time allocation. Or >>>whatever.. >>> >>>It's pretty pointless to use one machine and then post results here... >> >> >>I would agree, but having played on two machines, and one machine, with >>autoplayer and by hand. I get the same results in regard to each other with an >>acceptable +/- for the amount of games I may have played. If there is a program >>that plays only killer chess on just one computer inside chessbase I have not >>seen it. I doubt if Hiarcs 7.32 is like this, having tested Hiarcs 7.01 on two >>computers. My results with Hiarcs 7.32 and Junior 5 after just 20 games are not >>that much out of line with what SSDF got playing on two computers with Hiarcs >>7.01 and Junior 5. A big win for Hiarcs in both cases, but SSDF results with two >>computers and 40 games was a bit bigger I think. >> >>I do agree playing two windows chess programs on one computer can be very bad >>and pointless. In this case I alway use two computers. >> >>I am always open to data, can you give me an example that will show this in >>programs running in chessbase from one computer vs two computes results. > > >Crafty doesn't work well with ponder=off. An older version of Rebel would >really screw up as it only did its time calculation while in ponder mode.. Ed >and I ran into several such problems when we did that single "NPS game" a >year or two ago... > >In any case it definitely screws my time allocation up. And I'll bet other >programs play weaker than normal because none of us do a lot of testing with >no pondering, to make sure everything is working well. I don't test that way >because I never play games that way... That my be true with Crafty and Rebel, but not for the commercail programs that run inside chessbase, that I have been able to detect.
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