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Subject: Re: fritz once again leads from the front in the fight against the human rac

Author: Paul Richards

Date: 09:34:56 07/02/99

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On July 02, 1999 at 02:43:37, Peter Kappler wrote:

>>I have both F5.32 and Hiarcs 7.32; I like them both; I do not know which
>>one will ultimately score higher on SSDF; but those engine v engine results
>>prove nothing.
>>
>
>Prove nothing??  Absurd.

Not at all.


>>Nobody is alleging an anti-Fritz conspiracy. The results are dubious;
>>that's why he is saying it.
>>
>>eric
>
>
>You both are *saying* this, neither of you are *explaining* why.

Probably because we both assumed you had also read recent threads like "Some
thoughts on engine vs. engine testing".  In a nutshell this sort of testing is
unreliable because we know there are some problems with running both engines on
one machine, and we can infer that there are an unknown number of similar
possible issues.  For example, the time allocation code for a program will be
based on the assumption that the program thinks while the opponent's clock is
running, which is not the case in engine-engine testing.  Correctly allocating
time for making moves is non-trivial, and it's unlikely that programmers design
or test for engine-engine conditions.  Hash tables are another issue, and some
of the machines used for these engine-engine tests don't have enough RAM to
allow optimal hash tables for both programs.  We also don't have the source code
for the Chessbase interface to know what other resource allocation issues there
might be.  In short the gold standard for such tests is clearly running the
programs on two separate machines.  When this is done Hiarcs and Fritz appear
very close in strength.  As a result it's not impressive when someone does an
engine-engine test that shows one to be far superior to the other, and even less
impressive when they keep doing it despite being told why single machine
engine-engine tests cannot be taken seriously.



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