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Subject: Re: Fritz, next year.

Author: KarinsDad

Date: 09:17:19 07/03/99

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On July 03, 1999 at 03:56:53, Peter Hegger wrote:

[snip]
>
>Imagine, at next years event "256 processor Fritz 7", in the spectator's gallery
>giving analysis while it's little brother "Fritz 6" is playing Kasparov. While
>the banned computer is glibly refuting moves for both sides, little Fritz is
>being crushed. Would that be interesting? Not to me it wouldn't.
>I would also be asking why on earth isn't the best machine playing instead of
>kibitzing?
>To me it makes little sense to hold new technology and improvements back for a
>whole year just BECAUSE they are new technologies and improvements.
>Regards
>Peter

I can understand your point of view.

However, we are getting to a stage in computer chess development where we have
never been before. New ground if you will.

Programs have only within the last few years been able to compete successfully
with superGMs at G30 type of speeds. The programs are about to pass the
threshold, maybe within the next 5 years, of being able to beat anyone on the
planet at any speed (with the possible exception of correspondence chess
speeds).

It is getting to the point that it does make a major difference from one version
of a program to the next how well it will do at major tournaments. Hence, for
the first time in history, we are coming up on an era where computers will rule
the chess playing scene.

This will result in a few changes:

1) Advanced chess will be obsolete.
2) Human/computer games, matches, and tournaments will be obsolete.

So, with this understanding comes the idea of not doing things the status quo
way. It is not an issue of humans being threatened by computers and protecting
themselves. It is an issue of looking at the entire computer chess picture and
wondering if the status quo still applies.

1) Years ago, having a chess program in a tournament did not matter to the
humans, so programs were allowed to play in most every tournament and nobody
cared which version played.

2) Today, having a chess program in a tournament matters to a lot of humans, so
programs are allowed to play in extremely few tournaments.

Now we are at a stage in our computer chess development where the above two
statements can be modified to read:

1) Years ago, having a chess program in a superGM tournament did not matter to
the humans, so programs were allowed to play in most every tournament (but of
course, they had problem qualifying, so they were not allowed) and nobody cared
which version played.

2) Today, having a chess program in a superGM tournament matters to a lot of
humans, so programs are allowed to play in extremely few superGM tournaments.

So, the idea that a given program consists of whatever software and hardware is
running at a given point in time and that these elements can change and it is
still considered the same program may be in the stages of becoming an obsolete
idea as well.

I am not saying that this is the way it has to be. I am just throwing out some
ideas for other people to think about.


And the answer to your question "I would also be asking why on earth isn't the
best machine playing instead of kibitzing?" would be:

The same reason that Deep Blue is not playing. Although Deep Blue is (was) the
best machine on the planet, it did not qualify for the event and neither did
Fritz 7.

KarinsDad :)



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