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Subject: Re: Djordje's Paradox

Author: Djordje Vidanovic

Date: 14:03:54 07/23/99

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Sorry.  Your comments, although detailed, helped me find out only two things:
that I had misspelled 'immolation' and that you did the same with 'asterisk'.
Regarding the Charter, I was not able to see what 'within reason' should mean --
whose reason should be the reason the Charter talks about?  The reason of one
moderator (his voting body), or the reason of the other two moderators (another
two thirds of the electorate)?  Because, you see, there were three different
moderation policies represented by three moderators, and these should not, and,
in my opinion, cannot be narrowed down to only one moderator and his (her) views
on what is *within reason*.  Which is exactly what happened here.


On July 23, 1999 at 12:50:48, KarinsDad wrote:

>On July 23, 1999 at 12:27:27, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>If you only took a look at what I wrote you'd be able to read that I defended
>>Fernando on the basis of what had been said and written and *only later* added
>>my words of gratitude, in a separate paragraph.
>Fair enough. I read your message differently, but that happens.
>>However, if you are asking me if I like Fernando as a person, I am saying yes.
>>It is a commonplace in any kind of serious discussion to acknowledge the
>>existence of prior biasedness, as both I and you have revealed in our postings.
>>As you are referring to the charter, please be so kind as to inform me which
>>article of the charter was *unambiguously* violated.
>Certainly. I have copied the entire charter and segregated out with astericks
>the appropriate sections and with double astericks for the really appropriate
>ones. My comments on it are at the end of the message.
>The Computer-Chess Club is a free service that has been set up by a group of
>individuals who became concerned with the persistent breaches of netiquette
>occurring on the newsgroup,, namely a very high level
>of off-topic posts and a very high level of personal insults and abuse.
>It was felt that a group where a full range of computer chess ideas could be
>discussed, and, if necessary attacked, without also making personal attacks on
>the deliverer of the ideas, would be productive, and might well encourage
>various well-known figures who were no longer posting in
> to return to the arena of discussion without fear of
>insult or abuse.
>Thus, the Computer-Chess Club is a moderated message board which is open to the
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>1) The joke discussed various positions of sexual intercourse. Nobody in their
>right mind can consider that to be on topic. Some people may consider it to be
>non-abusive, others may not.
>2) We all agreed when we signed up to the statement that the moderators decision
>is final. Bruce thought it should be deleted. I thought it should be deleted. 2
>out of 3 is enough for a final decision. 3 out of 3 is absurd. Reposting the
>message in Spanish is an obvious violation of the agreement that the decision
>should be final.
>Do you contend that the charter was NOT violated?
>KarinsDad :)

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