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Subject: Re: KQ vs kr position

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 01:45:07 08/03/99

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On August 03, 1999 at 04:32:27, Bruce Moreland wrote:

>
>On August 02, 1999 at 22:47:14, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>
>
>>Your post is a little ambiguous. Are you saying Nalimov EGTB is a shortest mate
>>EGTB for all the 5 man endings? How would the tables be generated?
>>
>>I would be surprised if all the endings covered by the Nalimov EGTB are of the
>>shortest mate variety. I would also be disappointed for the reason indicated.
>>Some endings (other than KQKR which a computer program can win in about 34
>>moves) would be "impossible" to win using such a TB due to the 50 move rule.
>
>I would be suprised if the Nalimov tables are *not* distance to mate.  The only
>publicly available distance to conversion tables that I know of are the Thompson
>tables.

Shortest mate EGTB also has the defect of possibly concluding that an ending is
drawn due to the 50 move when it is actually winning. By the way, I think this
issue can be cleared up by noting that "distance to mate" is not necessarily the
same as "shortest mate".
>
>And yes, the tables do suffer from the possible problem that you mentioned,
>although this should be extremely rare in practice.
>
>bruce



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