Author: blass uri
Date: 11:31:51 09/01/99
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On September 01, 1999 at 14:20:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On September 01, 1999 at 14:01:37, blass uri wrote: > >>On September 01, 1999 at 09:35:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On September 01, 1999 at 08:57:57, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>>On September 01, 1999 at 07:47:20, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On September 01, 1999 at 06:11:23, odell hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a huge difference in terms of elo points between rebel 10 on the >>>>>>K6-600 amd and what my system K6-II350 ? The rebel page suggest that the >>>>>>diffence is very minor, 2554 for k6-amd and 2576 for k6600? The reason I am >>>>>>asking is because i am getting a little obssesed with the need to have the >>>>>>strongest program, even though I could not beat rebel on my 486!!! I am >>>>>>wondering if it would really be worth it to upgrade? What's a few rating points? >>>>>>I probally would not notice the difference anyway. I notice also that my rebel >>>>>>found all the moves of schroeders Amdk6 600 in the last grandmaster challenge. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>As I have said before, if you double the speed, your 2x faster rebel will >>>>>be about 70 points better than the slower one, when they play each other. >>>>>Against humans, there is too little data but it is certain that the 2x faster >>>>>one won't be 70 points better than humans it was playing equal with at the >>>>>slower speed... >>>> >>>>We have information that it is the case about p200MMX vs p90 >>>>but we do not have information if it is the same at tournament time control for >>>>faster hardware. >>>> >>>>The only way to prove that it is the case or to prove the opposite is by playing >>>>games with faster hardware. >>>> >>>>Uri >>> >>> >>>Actually we do have this. The first such experiment was run on horribly slow >>>hardware years ago. Then Ken Thompson did the same with his belle machine and >>>got the same results although at least 100X faster hardware was used. Hitech >>>did the same thing for longer time controls. All three agreed. Monty Newborn >>>and Ernst both investigated searching way deeper which simulates faster hardware >>>than anything other than Deep Blue has, and they _both_ found that deeper is >>>still better... with no 'tapering off' at least thru ply 15 in the middlegame. >>> >>>I'm convinced that faster = better, and that it is still linear and not getting >>>worse. >> >>I am not convinced that it is still linear. >>The only proof can be by games and not by the probability to change your mind or >>to find a new move because it is possible that the new move does not change the >>result. >> >>There is a point when it stop to be linear because you cannot improve forever >>and it is not clear where is this point. >> >>I know results of many games of pentium200 vs p90 at tournament time control but >>I do not know the same for faster hardware(p450 vs p200). >> >>Uri > > >The first examples I gave _were_ from games. First using 'tinkerbelle', then >using belle, then using hitech. All three produced similar win/lose percentages >over shallower/slower searches, even though the games played with tinkerbelle >and then belle didn't go as deeply as later games... The question is if the level in the first examples was better than p200 vs p90. Uri
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