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Subject: Re: Forget about all Computer-Computer matches

Author: Thorsten Czub

Date: 15:53:18 09/26/99

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On September 26, 1999 at 17:41:46, Georg v. Zimmermann wrote:

>But SSDF is only counting the _results_. And for that you need at least 200
>games against every opponent, probably more.

thats knowing the price of the milk and trying to find out the quality by
watching the price of the milk.


>I'd like to know what how strong you are/ your elo rating.

weak.- but that is not important.
my car mechanician who repairs my car is not michael schumacher,
but although he isn't michael, he knows about good or bad cars.

and not any football(soccer)-trainer has to be kevin keagan or franz
beckenbauer.

even not any book-criticizer has to be a good author himself.

i am not relating the programs alone, i am studying the main-lines
and the search depths and scores. i would say i am faster than
a strong IM.
I have tried this with my friend bernd kohlweyer (IM 2435 ELO)
and have found out that he is not faster than i am.
he often underestimates programs that are strong or
overestimates weak programs because he misunderstands
special situations on board where HE believes that it is complicate
for a program but where i know it is an easy move.
so i see no real advantage in beeing a strong chess player in general.

i don't think alexander kure would more often adjudicate the result of a
comp-comp match better than i do, although he is a stronger chess player.
he knows which side stands better. but that is often not the question
in comp.- comp. matches.
there you need to know what COULD happen using your experience you have with
programs.
and chess players do often have different exoeriences and not the time
to study chess programs.
even programmers do often only know their own programs very good and
have problems to understand the opponent programs good.
 each is only interested in HIS affairs.

i was e.g. much disapointed about GM Lutters comments on paderborn-championship.
I think he showed with his comments that he does not understand much about
chess programs. he was very often wrong with his comments and ideas about
what would happen later.


>--Tec



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