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Subject: Re: Congratulations to Rebel Century

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 19:28:36 10/04/99

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On October 04, 1999 at 18:51:55, Ed Schröder wrote:

>>Posted by Robert Hyatt on October 04, 1999 at 09:35:17:
>
>>>Then tell me the difference between a "positional sacrifice", and a
>>"sacrifice".
>>
>>
>>Here is how _I_ differentiate between the two:
>>
>>positional sacrifice:  giving up material for some positional compensation
>>that you believe will enable you to win when the game seems to be pretty
>>even, or will enable you to draw if your opponent seems to be winning.  IE
>>black frequently plays RxNc3 in the Sicilian, as it removes a dangerous piece
>>and prevents it from supporting the center, plus it often produces other weak-
>>nesses such as two isolated pawns.  Or where black has pawns at a2/b2/c2 and
>>black finds a way to play a3 in a position where white must play bxa3.  Black
>>believes that by giving up the pawn, the three weak white pawns (a2/a3/c2)
>>will
>>eventually fall, and because they are isolated, white has no real chances of
>>winning an endgame on the queenside as well.  All of this is just positional
>>judgement that says "my position before the sac is worse than my position
>>after
>>the sac."
>>
>>real sacrifice:  giving up material, not because you see immediate positional
>>gain that offsets the loss, but because you believe that the resulting
>>position
>>has tactical chances that are worth the gamble.  IE the common Bxh7+ move that
>>gets played even when white can't see a forced mate, but he can see the king
>>getting into places where it might not be able to avoid a mate.  This is more
>>speculative since the sacrificer doesn't actually see whether the gamble pays
>>off or not.  I do this fairly often in blitz time controls myself.  Probably
>>more often than I do real positional sacrifices...
>
>Thanks for pointing out your views.
>
>When a human sacs with Bxh7+ he expects a win otherwise he wouldn't
>play that move. Rebel played 24.gxh6 and Sherbakov took the bait (the
>white knight) with 24..Qxd5? (24..g6! was the only good move) and then
>was caught in a heavy king attack. Every annotator will call 24.gxh6 a sac.
>
>IMO.
>
>Ed
>
>PS, just read GM Scherbakov calls 24.gxh6 a sac too :)


I realize that.  I am simply pointing out that they are using the term
_incorrectly_.  IE Howard posted two different author's opinions of what
makes a sacrifice.  Both agreed that it requires _not_ seeing material gain
as a result...  in this game hxg6 doesn't sac anything, it wins a bunch.



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