Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 13:05:45 10/10/99
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On October 10, 1999 at 15:49:09, Thorsten Czub wrote:
>On October 10, 1999 at 15:35:53, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
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>>It is not very active, it likes to play cat and mouse without doing much until
>>it sees something in the search, but it is very efficient.
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>I do have a different opinion. the games i get are different from yours.
>tiger plays in all games very active and having initiative.
>it forces the wins. it makes the game.-
>do you test a different program ?
>older tiger versions were passive. not 11.2 and not 12.0.
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>>I start thinking of
>>it as the opposite of CST in every way.
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>??
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>>I guess that if someone likes CST or
>>Mchess won't like Tiger so much, and viceversa. Do you agree? Now that I think
>>of it, Thorsten likes both, CST and Tiger, so I may be wrong.
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>I like the games. it is not important HOW a program gets a beautiful
>game, it is important THAT it plays beautiful chess games.
>i am not interested in games that are dump, produced by dump programs.
>by boring games between junior-fritz or nimzo-fritz or whatever.
>i am interested in planful games . hiarcs and mchess and ctiger and rebel
>and virtual and cstal and and and produce those interesting games.
>this is what i like.
>i do not understand why your tiger plays cats and mice and not active.
>strange.
I have maybe an explanation.
Enrique has played most of the games by giving a slower computer to Tiger. While
I would never have dared to do this myself, the experiment was worth it as Tiger
managed to save the day.
It's a phenomenon I have witnessed myself several times. When Tiger was a weak
program (2 years ago), I tried to play Tiger against Genius, and Tiger against
Rebel, giving twice the time to Tiger (Tiger had 10mn for the game, the opponent
was given 5 minutes).
Suddenly, I would have said that it was not Tiger playing anymore. The opponents
looked really ridiculous. They played mostly defensive games and most of the
time blundered a piece or two before being mated without mercy.
The playing style of both opponents were completely different. I would say that
the strength of the opponent has a big influence on the playing style of my
program. It is probably true for any other program too, but I prefer to be
careful and speak for Tiger only.
So Enrique has given an inferior computer to Tiger, and I'm not surprised at all
that he finds Tiger playing passive.
Instead of playing Tiger against another program, play Tiger against a human
player. You'll see that the sytle is completely different. Very active and
agressive.
The same happens when you play Tiger against Rebel. The games are *incredible*.
Until you reach the last move, it is impossible to say which program is going to
win. I recommend the experiment to all the interested testers.
Christophe
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