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Subject: Re: How fast of a cpu does Hiarcs need to be 2600+

Author: Jeremiah Penery

Date: 12:14:28 10/14/99

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On October 14, 1999 at 12:03:50, Shep wrote:

>On October 14, 1999 at 11:12:39, Joshua Lee wrote:
>
>>I know that even if you  had a 2Ghz machine it wouldn't solve Nolot pos 1 in
>>under 3 Min.

Why not?  I happen to have just run this the other night, and the correct move
_and_ correct line were chosen at about 13 minutes, ply 11.  Score was about
-1, but went to -0.5 at ply 12, +0.00 at ply 13, and failed high again at ply 14
in 268 minutes, but I didn't let it complete the search.
This is from a modified Crafty 16.19, which is _NOT_ tuned for the Nolot
positions, on a PII-300.

>> In fact 10 complete in under 3 min you would have to have a 35Ghz
>>Machine. so the only solution seeing how this isn't going to happen for hmm
>>maybe 9 years you would think Moore's  Law. So how can you make programs faster
>>annd more intellegent?

I think DB might be able to solve them all in tournament time (except perhaps
#6, #9, and maybe #3, and #8 because it may be incorrect - #9 may not be
completely correct, either, and #3 may just be a case of evaluation between two
similar-scoring moves).

>I don't think a program has to solve all Nolot positions (or any other test
>suite) within tournament time control to have GM strength.

I agree.

>I bet several GM's would not solve all of them (provided they didn't know them
>already which they do...) either.
>[Remember the notorious Qe3 which both Kasparov and Deeper Blue missed, yet most
>PC programs find it.]

I don't think Kasparov and DB missed the move, I just think they didn't see that
it draws.  Neither does _any_ micro program (i.e., searching from the final
position of the game, they don't return a draw score).  If you have data to
disprove me, please post it.

>In fact, if a program found just 3 or 4 of them in 10 minutes, it would probably
>be at par with many GM's (unless it was tuned for the suite).

Most programs can find at least a couple of them (#11, maybe #10, some may find
#3, but probably for 'positional' reasons.  #1 and #5 are possible, but a bit
more difficult, and would probably take longer.) in reasonable time.  Maybe even
in 10 minutes.

Jeremiah



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