Author: Christophe Theron
Date: 21:41:24 10/23/99
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On October 23, 1999 at 05:19:42, Alessandro Damiani wrote:
>On October 22, 1999 at 17:07:35, Christophe Theron wrote:
>
>>On October 22, 1999 at 12:28:03, Tord Romstad wrote:
>>
>>>On October 21, 1999 at 23:05:10, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>
>>>>On October 21, 1999 at 21:59:11, Dave Gomboc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On October 21, 1999 at 18:00:47, Christophe Theron wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, is the GCC Linux compiler provided with an IDE? My friend tells me he has
>>>>>>found only the command line compiler.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hah. Dream on.
>>>>>
>>>>>The closest thing you'll find to an IDE is Emacs. I've seen people edit their
>>>>>code, compile it, run it, debug it, etc. all in Emacs, but I don't know how it's
>>>>>all done. I just use it for editing (it does have colour syntax highlighting),
>>>>>and I do the other stuff in xterms.
>>>>
>>>>I did not know Emacs could debug too...
>>>>
>>>>Anyway, thanks for the info!
>>>
>>>Actually, there are at least two IDEs available for GCC running in Linux.
>>>One of them is pretty much identical to the RHIDE IDE for djgpp (the Linux
>>>version has a different name, which I do not remember) and a new IDE (still
>>>alpha or beta software, I think) called kdevelop. None of these programs
>>>are used much, because almost everybody finds Emacs vastly superior.
>>>Mastering Emacs takes some time, but when you have mastered it you will
>>>probably feel crippled in all other IDEs (including the IDEs supplied with
>>>commercial compilers like Visual C). The default settings in Emacs are
>>>not very good, but you can easily configure and extend the editor to your
>>>own preferences.
>>>
>>>Tord
>>
>>
>>Well guys... Actually I have done it. Yesterday my Windows crashed once again
>>(now I'm not able to set the display properties anymore). I felt so frustrated
>>that I really wanted to hammer my computer. I refrained and decided (just to
>>calm down) to install Linux on a computer I had already prepared for this (by
>>letting an unformatted 800Mb partition on it).
>>
>>It took me 20 minutes to set up Linux, and I had no documentation except the
>>small readme from the Mandrake 6.0 CD.
>>
>>It's not perfect though. Initially the display resolution was 640x480 (which is
>>fine) but the desktop size was 800x600. So I had to move the mouse around to see
>>everything. Very annoying and stupid problem. I took me more than one hour to
>>get rid of this.
>>
>>There are other problems, like a really snowy screen when things are drawn (the
>>S3 driver apparently has problems), and I have no sound.
>>
>>But well, it works. Maybe Linux is not so far from being as easy to install and
>>use as Windows. I don't find it to run any faster (as some told me), but it's
>>not slow.
>>
>>About emacs and other horrible things I have seen: these tools are prehistoric.
>>It does not matter how powerful they are. They are cryptic and ugly, and as more
>>and more Windows users will come to Linux, it will be very important to provide
>>easier (even if less powerful) tools. I'm the one to still use DOS utilities, so
>>I understand perfectly that one can love emacs, but still some effort has to be
>>done for people that are no Unix experts.
>>
>>I suppose it's just a matter of time, and anyway simpler and user friendly texte
>>editors are provided with KDE. If you come from Windows, KDE looks really like
>>Windows and you get used to it very quickly.
>>
>
>Do you mean Emacs or XEmacs?
>
>Alessandro
I think I mean both. Both are provided with Linux Mandrake. And both are
completely cryptic.
Christophe
>>Sofar my opinion is that Linux looks indeed technically more powerful than
>>Windows, but there is still some work to make it more user friendly.
>>
>>It is possible to have both Windows and Linux on the same disk, but you must
>>have separated partitions for each (which is not very complicated to do). Then
>>you can boot the one you want, and even choose the one that is launched by
>>default when you type nothing at boot time.
>>
>>Linux will read your DOS/Windows floppies and recognize your CD-ROM drive.
>>
>>All of this is just my opinion, or worse, just my first impressions. But I don't
>>expect people to try Linux more than 2 hours if it is too difficult, so first
>>impressions matter. And my first impressions are not too bad.
>>
>>Now I feel much more relaxed to know that I will probably be able to drop
>>Windows at any time and use Linux as my developpment environment. So I return to
>>Windows now and to the Windows version of Chess Tiger. :)
>>
>>I might try to compile Chess Tiger for Linux whenever I have a free weekend. I
>>don't expect this to happen before the next millenium though...
>>
>>
>> Christophe
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