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Subject: Re: Please stop the bickering

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:58:25 10/29/99

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On October 29, 1999 at 06:03:38, Ed Schröder wrote:

>>Posted by Peter McKenzie on October 29, 1999 at 04:37:00:
>>
>>In Reply to: Please stop the bickering posted by Ed Schröder on October 29,
>>1999 at 02:34:23:
>>
>>Well Ed, we are all here for a bit of bickering aren't we?
>
>No.
>
>The point is Bob's often repeated criticism to commercial chess programmers
>and their contributions to computer chess programming. I pointed out this is not
>true giving the example of the null-move and who it was who made the algorithm
>world famous.



Unfortunately, you were wrong.  Don Beal started the ball rolling a _long_
time ago.  Many of us were using null move years before Chrilly's JICCA
article. I would find it hard to say that anyone other than Beal made it
famous, since it was already famous and being used in many programs as a
result of his paper on it, well before Chrilly's.



>
>The way you have pointed out your (below) view in a friendly and non accusing
>style is very fine with me.
>
>That's what the whole topic is about concerning me.
>
>Ed
>
>
>>OK OK, we'll call it debate then.
>>
>>Bob has a point, the commercial programmers don't publish very much at all.  I
>>think this is natural - when your living depends on the quality of your
>>software
>>why give away your secrets to the competition?
>>
>>I do think however, that this attitude of secrecy is somewhat unnecessary
>>and a
>>little short sited.  I am sure that any of the top commercial chess progammers
>>would be capable of making an interesting and valuable contribution to the
>>literature without giving away too much in the way of important secrets.
>>
>>Publishing academic work can have a significant positive effect on the
>>author if
>>done in a rigorous manner.  The commercial chess programmers might be
>>pleasantly
>>surprised if they gave it a try.  I've noticed Ed that you let out some
>>details
>>about Rebel from time to time - perhaps one day you will write something
>>for us?
>>I'd like to know a bit more about your pruning - your 'CrazyEval' idea sounds
>>interesting.
>>
>>I agree to some extent with your comments about the ICCAJ.  I had a look
>>through
>>some issues at Paderborn, and there wasn't much that looked useful for the
>>practical chess programmer.  Much more interesting stuff to be found in the
>>newsgroups and forums such as CCC.
>>
>>cheers,
>>Peter



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