Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 09:58:25 10/29/99
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On October 29, 1999 at 06:03:38, Ed Schröder wrote: >>Posted by Peter McKenzie on October 29, 1999 at 04:37:00: >> >>In Reply to: Please stop the bickering posted by Ed Schröder on October 29, >>1999 at 02:34:23: >> >>Well Ed, we are all here for a bit of bickering aren't we? > >No. > >The point is Bob's often repeated criticism to commercial chess programmers >and their contributions to computer chess programming. I pointed out this is not >true giving the example of the null-move and who it was who made the algorithm >world famous. Unfortunately, you were wrong. Don Beal started the ball rolling a _long_ time ago. Many of us were using null move years before Chrilly's JICCA article. I would find it hard to say that anyone other than Beal made it famous, since it was already famous and being used in many programs as a result of his paper on it, well before Chrilly's. > >The way you have pointed out your (below) view in a friendly and non accusing >style is very fine with me. > >That's what the whole topic is about concerning me. > >Ed > > >>OK OK, we'll call it debate then. >> >>Bob has a point, the commercial programmers don't publish very much at all. I >>think this is natural - when your living depends on the quality of your >>software >>why give away your secrets to the competition? >> >>I do think however, that this attitude of secrecy is somewhat unnecessary >>and a >>little short sited. I am sure that any of the top commercial chess progammers >>would be capable of making an interesting and valuable contribution to the >>literature without giving away too much in the way of important secrets. >> >>Publishing academic work can have a significant positive effect on the >>author if >>done in a rigorous manner. The commercial chess programmers might be >>pleasantly >>surprised if they gave it a try. I've noticed Ed that you let out some >>details >>about Rebel from time to time - perhaps one day you will write something >>for us? >>I'd like to know a bit more about your pruning - your 'CrazyEval' idea sounds >>interesting. >> >>I agree to some extent with your comments about the ICCAJ. I had a look >>through >>some issues at Paderborn, and there wasn't much that looked useful for the >>practical chess programmer. Much more interesting stuff to be found in the >>newsgroups and forums such as CCC. >> >>cheers, >>Peter
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