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Subject: Re: Please stop the bickering

Author: Eugene Nalimov

Date: 16:20:45 10/29/99

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On October 29, 1999 at 18:33:14, Amir Ban wrote:

>On October 29, 1999 at 16:59:20, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>
>>9.  Singular extensions (I don't know what you do, but genius, wchess, and
>>others have/do use these) came from deep thought developers Hsu and Campbell.
>>
>
>I talked with Kittinger in 1995. He didn't have SE then, and was skeptic if the
>concept is right.
>
>
>>the list goes on and on...
>>
>>
>>>There is nothing special I have seen in the Crafty source code. Just the
>>>basic things, well tuned and documented, but nothing special.
>>
>>No "special parallel search?"  Non-trivial to do.  Non-trivial to get right.
>>etc.  no unusual evaluation terms?  Seems that _everybody_ suddenly decided
>>that it was 'right' to probe in the search, not just at the root.  I've been
>>doing it about as long as Bruce (he wrote his own tablebase code, while I used
>>the Edwards stuff that was public.  Edwards was doing it before I was,
>>obviously, as he wrote the probe code for Crafty.  Whether he probed exactly as
>>I do today is another question.  But I notice that more and more commercial
>>programs are doing that.  Where'd it come from?
>>
>
>It's obvious, but you need tablebases that are fast enough. That's the real
>trick.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>And what do you expect people to do with your source code anyway then
>>>to have a look at it? Isn't that the purpose?
>>
>>Sure...  but you guys don't get it.  Intel spends a year of secrecy to
>>develop a new processor.  They spring it on the world, _and_ they publish
>>papers describing _exactly_ what they did.  IE they get the lead-time to take
>>advantage, but then the publish details that takes the entire industry forward.
>>
>
>It so happens I'm quite familiar with Intel, and there's no truth in what you
>say. Intel will publish with a product anything that is needed to make you
>comfortable using it and buying it. That's quite a lot, usually, but they won't
>tell you anything beyond that.
>
>One of the things Intel currently does is a strategic effort to reinvent PC
>architectire from an open standard into something Intel-proprietary. The
>so-called "firmware hub", e.g., will replace the old BIOS, and the LPC bus
>replaces the ISA bus. The specifications are secret or restricted to Intel
>partners. If Intel succeeds in this, competitors like AMD will have a real
>problem.
>
>Microsoft is doing something similar in the past few years. They made DOS into
>the most successful OS ever by making it totally open and attracting third-party
>developers, who really made DOS successful. Microsoft now thinks that those
>third-party developers are a nuisance and they are closing many specifications.
>For example, NTFS (the NT file-system) is not documented.

David A. Solomon
"Inside Windows NT / Second edition"
Microsoft Press, Redmond, Washington, USA 1998
ISBN 1-57231-677-2
Chapter 9 "Windows NT File System (NTFS)"

>Amir



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