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Subject: Re: The Bickering Debate

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 18:50:25 10/31/99

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On October 31, 1999 at 20:06:42, Micheal Cummings wrote:

>On October 31, 1999 at 11:12:39, Fernando Villegas wrote:
>
>>Dear Michael:
>>Maybe this issue is not so black and white as you put it. And besides there is
>>another side of he problem. True: most freeware stuff is, if not bad, very
>>simple and sometimes unuseful. But then, please take a look at commercial
>>software and tell me if 100% of it is superior, good quality, etc. It is not!
>>There is a LOT OF CRAP also in commercial software side. I know it very well as
>>much as not having money problems and being a man prone to temptation, I
>>purchase a lot in the Internet. And you know what? Most things are crap. Pretty
>>envelopes, pretty marketing tactics, many promises,etc, but mostly few real
>>things to get. And besides we have he effect of what you get and what you wanted
>>to get, normally very differents things. In the realm of sotware this dilusion
>>is the greatest. Just look at our site and see how many  complains produces at
>>each step every new commercial chess program.
>>PIM? Tere was a time I downloaded almost every PIM offered, freeware or
>>commercial, and still I do not use none. Why? Because I am expecting something
>>none of them can give to me.
>>But returning to your point, I can swear to you that the percetage of crappy
>>stuff from commercial origen is very very high, not less than that you can get
>>in the freeware arena. In fact, is shameful. Installation problems, bugs,
>>desconfiguration of your Config.sys files, flat design, less features than
>>announced, etc, etc. It is life, Michael: in nature as in society, almost 90% of
>>everything is doomed to failure.
>>Fernando
>
>I take your point. But there maybe some useful freeware on the market. But most
>of it is crap. As for free stuff all over the internet, I think in General from
>programs that I would actually use, freeware is very little.
>
>As for free stuff running the internet, which bob pointed out. Well I really do
>not care about that software, cause apart from surfing the net with it, I cannot
>do much else, and this would only take up 0.01% of what is good freeware.
>Freeware chess from my use is crap. Maybe the strength is okay, but the usage
>very pretty pathetic.
>
>That is even though most can still beat me. Given a choice there is not many
>commercial programs in chess that I would put down in favour of a freeware
>program. I do not use freeware chess programs anymore. Apart from Chess-it,
>which is tiny and I can hide on my work computer, it has a nice little interface
>and very small program.


Here is what I do in a typical week:  I edit and compile and debug (using a
GUI debugger or a text debugger depending on 'mood') C programs.  I write
papers using a text formatter.  I edit graphical images.  I run a browser
to prowl the net looking for things.  I access many sites via anonymous ftp,
as well as provide anonymous ftp for everyone wanting the crafty stuff and
Eugene's stuff.  I handle about 50 email messages per day, and run an email
client with folders, capable of replying to email or postint to usenet depending
on how the email was delivered.  I read usenet news daily and post to it.  I
run Java applets.  I run network monitoring tools.  That is a part of a week's
activities.  I play music CDs on my sound system thru my computer.  I run xboard
to access ICC and to allow crafty to play there.

The software I use to do all that cost me $2.95 to get a redhat 6.0 CD from
cheapbytes.  How much did you pay for _your_ software?



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