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Subject: Re: The Bickering Debate

Author: Pillsbury

Date: 22:15:27 10/31/99

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On October 31, 1999 at 21:58:16, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On October 31, 1999 at 20:17:56, Micheal Cummings wrote:
>
>>On October 31, 1999 at 15:15:39, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On October 31, 1999 at 14:54:12, Pillsbury wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi
>>>>
>>>>Well....Here is a suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>Take a survey of how many are using a particular freeware. And then start
>>>>selling the same product at a cost equivalent to the commercial ones ( The Top
>>>>Ones!). Take another survey.
>>>>
>>>>I can easily guess what would be the outcome!
>>>>
>>>>Anybody who publishes a freeware is earning money from somewhere else. They
>>>>should make it free and start charging money for their freeware, if they are
>>>>confident of their freeware.
>>>>
>>>>I do not mean to upset anyone. These are the bitter facts of life. If someone
>>>>wants to refute this then take up the challenge!
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>karthick
>>>
>>>
>>>Here's some questions for you:
>>>
>>>(1) what is _the_ most-used unix implementation world-wide?
>>>
>>>(2) under unix, what is _the_ most used graphical windowing system, world-wide?
>>>
>>>(3) what is _the_ standard e-mail transport utility world-wide?
>>>
>>>(4) what is _the_ standard ftp server software world-wide?
>>>
>>>(5) what is _the_ standard httpd (web) server software world-wide, excepting
>>>windows which often uses a microsoft product).
>>>
>>>The list goes on and on.  And one hint:  _all_ of the above are answered by
>>>public-domain software products.
>>
>>But take the point that for what you state when you look at all other freeware
>>prgrams on the market, even though they play are large part in the scheme of
>>things, they still would make up about 0.02% of the 3% of good freeware programs
>>out there.
>>
>>For every good freeware program you state, I could find and give you 100 crap
>>freeware programs, Just goto freeware download sites and look at the quality of
>>most of the programs.
>>
>
>
>And your point would be?  Can you say "windows 95"?  Which has the absolutely
>most unreliable networking known to man.  Which crashes so often the reboot
>operation is S.O.P.  And then there is NT, which seems to run fine.  so 1-1.
>And we are commercial.  Tax software?  I tried something other than Turbo-tax
>last year.  Absolute piece of sh**.  Turbotax comes back to my house this year.
>Both cost over 50 bucks a pop.
>
>You can find lousy freeware, you can find bargins.  You can do the same for
>commercial software.
>
>
>>Lets say given a poll, if a person had a choice between any commercial chess
>>program as well as his choice of any freeware chess program, which do you think
>>he would use the most. Commercial ?



Here is half the answer to my original question.-> ->



>
>Here's a trivia question for you:  How many _different_ internet hosts have
>downloaded a copy of crafty source or a crafty executable?  This does not
>include book downloads or EGTB downloads.  How many would you guess?  I'll
>delay giving you the current stat.  But start your guessing at 6 digits.
>At least.
>


Thank you. Now what if you start selling your new version for a premium price,
and declare 6 or 7 digit figure of sales! That would be the best answer you gave
everyone around.


Thanks.

>And I am talking about direct anonymous ftp from _my_ web site where we log
>every transfer.  Gambitsoft and others are not counted.
>
>
>
>>
>>When I hear people want to know about freeware chess, it is cause they do not
>>have enough money to buy a commercial product. And they want the strongest
>>Freeware they can get their hands on.
>
>
>The freeware programs can, I'll bet, beat you easily.  Because they can beat
>me.  So 'strongest' is meaningless unless you use one to play on a chess server,
>which is not so common for commercial programs (no auto interface except for
>the CSTal two-computer lash-up).  When you are splitting firewood, is an 8 pound
>sledge heavy enough?  Or will a 16 pounder help even more?  After a while, more
>pounds does _not_ equate to better splitting.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>I take your point of good freeware, and those can take up a very large part of
>>computer program usage by people in certain areas (like the internet). But they
>>are also a very small percentage of the whole market. Which is the point I an
>>trying to make. 3% good, 97% crap.
>
>
>I think your numbers are way off.  I think that commercial and freeware programs
>have an _equal_ number of good examples and flops.



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