Author: Albert Silver
Date: 11:34:16 12/29/99
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On December 29, 1999 at 14:18:08, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>On December 29, 1999 at 13:57:43, Albert Silver wrote:
>
>>On December 29, 1999 at 13:02:56, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>
>>>On December 29, 1999 at 12:42:34, Bertil Eklund wrote:
>>>
>>>>On December 29, 1999 at 11:23:12, Enrique Irazoqui wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On December 29, 1999 at 10:51:57, James A. Tackett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I remember when Computer Chess Reports was published once a year, and
>>>>>>Enrique Irazoqui was its editor.
>>>>>
>>>>>1982 and 1983. Red telephone, Honda 750, Mephisto II and III, and Scisys MKV
>>>>>above all. Sometimes I feel like winding my watch backwards.
>>>>>
>>>>>>The usefulness and quality of that publication
>>>>>>does not have a contemporary counterpart. I would venture to say that myself
>>>>>>and others would be willing to fork over the cost of a new chess program if we
>>>>>>could have access to a publication of that quality today. So many of the
>>>>>>posters on CCC seem to be unaware of the following facts:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1] the raw strength of the program is no loger an issue for 99.99% of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2] what maters to the vast majority of us is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a] the style and variety of play.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> b] the ability of the program to be handicaped to yield
>>>>>> a challeging and interesting opponent without throwing away
>>>>>> material or making silly moves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> c] the ability of the program to analize our games in a manor
>>>>>> that allow us to find our mistakes and thus increase our
>>>>>> understanding of chess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main problem I find in reading CCC postings is the great diversity of
>>>>>>opinions regarding the "truth," and there is no easy or reliable way to sort
>>>>>>through this maze of information. We need one objective, reliable reviewer to
>>>>>>focus on the above issues. If I can find one, just tell me where to send the
>>>>>>money!
>>>>>
>>>>>Only a few weeks ago I was hesitating about starting a new tournament, which is
>>>>>my way of getting an impression about programs. Few people seemed interested and
>>>>>I dropped the idea. A post like yours may be the excuse I need. Thanks! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>Enrique
>>>>Hi!
>>>>
>>>>Please start a new tournament with the new programs, we all want to know if
>>>>Shredder4 is the best program as claimed on the Millenium-site.
>>>
>>>I don't think it is.
>>>
>>>> Is the new
>>>>Junior6 better then Junior5? What about Fritz6 is it better than F5.32?
>>>
>>>I don't think so either.
>>>
>>>>Rebel-Century can it play against computers too? Win-Tiger is it even better
>>>>then the Dos-version?
>>>
>>>Yes, by 10 or 20 points.
>>>
>>>> Nimzo7.32 was it out of luck in the latest SSDF-list?
>>>
>>>Maybe a bit low, but not significantly.
>>>
>>>>Is it true that Diep is the best positional program?
>>>
>>>Who says? :)
>>>
>>>I would like to play a tournament. It would be at 40/40 on 2 PIII-500 with 256MB
>>>RAM. The difference in performance between a P500 and a P600 or 700 doesn't
>>>justify the price, I think. Next problem: I could play it with Tiger, Shredder
>>>4, Fritz 6, Junior 6, Hiarcs 732 and Nimzo 732, 20 game matches for a total of
>>>300 games, which takes about a month. The other possibility would be to add
>>>Crafty 17.4 and Genius 6.5, but playing 10 game matches and a total of 280
>>>games. What do you think? 20 game matches are more accurate, but including more
>>>programs is tempting, even if I don't think that they could win the torunament.
>>>
>>>>I had a Suzuki motorbike and now I have a Suzuki car but it was more funny with
>>>>the bike!
>>>
>>>I had 28 bikes, all of them much more fun than any cars. But cars are more
>>>comfortable and practical, and I can smoke while driving (never tried this on a
>>>bike), so it is cars nowadays. :(
>>
>>28 bikes! Man. I've always been a 4-wheel kind of guy, though I did enjoy a
>>Honda 350XL dirt-bike a while back. Loads of fun, particularly the 'crash'
>>course my friend gave me in driving a bike when he sold it to me. After about 5
>>minutes of cruising in first in a parking lot, and explaining the basics of
>>changing gears, he decided I was ready for the roads...
>>Nothing serious, just some small contusions, and a big lesson on the fragility
>>of my mortality. :-)
>
>Like when my father bought his first Norton 500. He was 16 and never had been
>riding a bike before. He went straight from the shop to the wall across the
>street. Fathers...
>
>>I think the idea of the tournament is great, but wondered whether you think you
>>could get CB to lend you El Diablo.
>
>Well... that's a problem. Which F6? There are 5 versions of Fritz 6 around. I
>would like to play the strongest, but also the one that will be used by the
>SSDF. Bertil?
I think it's all part of a new super secret strategy. Since CB can no longer
guarantee the first place with one of its products (sacrilege!), it will drown
the list with new versions, much like Mchess in its beginnings where it would
release a new version every week (1.61, 1.63, 1.67, 1.69, etc...). Thus the
negative propaganda of this heretical product will have been properly dealt
with. Jawohl!
Albert Silver
>
>> I'd be curious to see it tested under
>>serious conditions, even if it remains a mystery. As for Crafty and Genius:
>>definitely.
>
>Definitely... But even if it means to play 10 game matches instead of 20? I
>don't know. One more thing: it would have to be Crafty as engine for Fritz. I
>guess this is no problem: the engine should be the same and I could use the good
>book of Nimzo. But 10 game matches? Hmmm...
>
>Enrique
>
>> Albert Silver
>>
>>
>>>
>>>Enrique
>>>
>>>>Regards Bertil
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