Author: Chris Carson
Date: 10:29:33 01/05/00
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On January 05, 2000 at 12:58:55, Graham Laight wrote: >On January 05, 2000 at 11:52:28, Peter Kappler wrote: > >>On January 05, 2000 at 04:51:43, Graham Laight wrote: >> >>>On January 05, 2000 at 01:05:20, Peter Kappler wrote: >>> >>>>I'd still take Kasparov or Anand in a G/30 match against any micro, though it >>>>would certainly be competitive. >>> >>>You mean like Kasparov did in London, in 1994, against Genius 3 on a Pentium 90? >>> >>>-g >>> >> >> >>I'd want the match to be longer than 2 games, so accidents like that don't >>influence the result too heavily. Make it 24 games and I'd feel pretty good >>about GK's chances. >> >>--Peter > >Hi Peter, > >Didn't 2 other GMs have the same "accident" in the same tournament? > >Isn't 2 games enough for a GM to get at least one win against Genius 3 on a >Pentium 90 - even at active time controls? > >When we discuss computer v human strength, I think that these "accidents" should >be taken into consideration - especially when the evidence being put forward by >the "computers are not yet even 2500" brigade seems to be mostly of a similar >anecdotal nature. > >-g -g I agree. If a person with a 2408 (Genius 3 SSDF rating on a P90) rating had won the same games, we would all be praising that person for the great performance!! Why do some try to degrade the same performance when it is a program? I think there is a lot of GM examples now and several chess experts (including IM Kaufman) that think programs are GM strength at most time controls (including 2hrs for 40 moves). We may (most likley won't) have tournament proof, but not because the chess computers won't play (also take a look at the AGEON results to see continued improvements as time has gone by). Perhaps a way around this is to see if the College Chess tournaments might allow programs to participate. There are some high USCF and FIDE ratings among those players. My opinion: Top programs on 800MHZ Intel and AMD machines play at a strong GM level (SSDF is a good reference point) in tournaments (Blitz to 40 moves in 2 hours). GM's can beat the programs, but the programs can also beat the GM's (programs would win more than they would loose in tournaments, not matches). Just my opinion. :) Best Regards, Chris Carson > >>>>FWIW, I think most people underestimate the talent gap between someone like >>>>Kasparov and an ordinary GM. The rating difference is roughly 300 points, which >>>>is a massive difference in strength. >>>> >>>>--Peter
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