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Subject: Re: number of pawn positions in chess...

Author: Timothy J. Frohlick

Date: 23:54:31 01/12/00

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On January 12, 2000 at 18:34:49, Dan Ellwein wrote:

>Hi
>
>Just wanted to bounce this off of the group and see if this is an accurate
>representation of how many (non redundant) pawn positions there are in chess...
>
>
>(0,8)(1,7)(2,6)(3,5)(4,4) 8P 48x47x46x45x44x43x42x41  x5 = _______
>(0,7)(1,6)(2,5)(3,4)      7P 48X47X46X45X44X43X42     x4 = _______
>(0,6)(1,5)(2,4)(3,3)      6p 48X47X46X45X44X43        x4 = _______
>(0,5)(1,4)(2,3)           5P 48x47x46x45x44           x3 = _______
>(0,4)(1,3)(2,2)           4P 48x47x46x45              x3 = _______
>(0,3)(1,2)                3P 48x47x46                 x2 = _______
>(0,2)(1,1)                2P 48x47                    x2 = _______
>(0,1)                     1P 48                       x1 = _______
>
>
>Number of non redundant pawn postions in chess  --  TOTAL: _______
>
>haven't done the math on it yet, but it looks like about 75 trillion...
>
>thanks...
>
>PilgrimDan


Dan,

I don't think the "a" pawn is going to end up on the e,f,g,or h files and don't
forget that the black pawns prevent occupation except by capture of the white
pawns. You also have to account for en passant which usually occurs only once
per game at most.

[D] 8/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/8

So the progression should be 20x19x18....etc and be extended out for a total of
sixteen pawns.  20x19x18x17x16x15x14x13x12x11x10x9x8x7x6x5x4= 8.109673360589e+17
which is a pretty big number of possibilities.  Even if we limited  the combos
to (Whitemoves x 10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3) + (Blackmoves x 10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3)=3,628,800
possibilities you can see that we will not run out of moves soon.  If the
average game is 75 moves or 150 ply we would have to play at least 24,192 games
to exhaust the possibilities.  Again, since not every move is a pawn move we
would have a variable number of pawn moves and positions.  So if only one
quarter of our moves are pawn moves we would have to play about 100,000 games to
come to a correct estimation of the number of different pawn structures.

This is just my opinion and is probably wrong.

Tim Frohlick



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